ZacharyB Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) 36 minutes ago, kwikphilly said: Hey Zach Bro.......they are always going to insist you are talking about a works based Faith or Salvation... Yes, maybe they're thinking about these verses ... (which I cannot put in my Signature 'cause that function doesn't work) ... Jesus says, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” (John 14:15, 21, 23, 24) Jesus says, “if anyone keeps My word, he shall never see death.” (John 8:51) Jesus says, “My sheep … follow me. And I give them eternal life” (John 10:27-28) Jesus says, “this is eternal life, that they may know … Jesus Christ” (John 17:3) John says, “we know Him, if we keep His commandments.” (1 John 2:3) Does anyone get into heaven who does not love Jesus, who does not know Him, who does not follow Him, who does not keep His commandments? Work, work, work ... gee, what fun! . Edited April 12, 2017 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff2 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 318 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 85 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said: works that are fruit of faith are still works. lol. You have not proved otherwise! Besides, I certainly hope they are, for without works no one will justified at the Judgment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jeff2 said: You have not proved otherwise! Besides, I certainly hope they are, for without works no one will justified at the Judgment! What works can save you that Jesus already died for? Justification comes at the cross when we first believed. Believers receive rewards, not condemnation at the Bema. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff2 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 318 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 85 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said: What works can save you that Jesus already died for? Jesus died for sin, not works. 4 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said: Justification comes at the cross when we first believed. You need to decide when, not two different events. Either we were justified when we believed as a condition, or we were saved at the Cross and it is all of fate. It can't be both. So, what are you saying... At the Judgment we are going to be judged by what we believed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jeff2 said: Jesus died for sin, not works. Right, he died for sin. The work came from Him Jeff. 2 minutes ago, Jeff2 said: So, what are you saying... At the Judgment we are going to be judged by what we believed? Yes Jeff!! In this life, it's not what you know, it's who you know. Do you know Jesus Christ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff2 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 318 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 85 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said: Yes Jeff!! In this life, it's not what you know, it's who you know. Yet I will note that you did not give a verse that states this. At the Judgment, we see: "But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Romans 2:5-7. We know that every person will be judged according to their deeds, a.k.a. "Works." Those that will seek glory and honor and immortality by continuance in well doing , A.K.A. "Works"... eternal life. Glory, honor and peace are promised to "every man that worketh good." Works! "We shall all appear before the judgement seat of Christ, that every one may receive the things done in the body," 2 Cor. 5:10. What are the "things done in the body"? Works! And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: 1 Peter 1:17 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev. 20:12 Perhaps I missed the passage that said that we would all be judged according to our faith; or for what we believed. One thing is clear, we will all be judged by our works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Jeff2 said: Yet I will note that you did not give a verse that states this. Matt 13:16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. Heb 11:1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff2 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 318 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 85 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said: Matt 13:16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. Heb 11:1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. Unfortunately, this does not seem to have anything to do with the Judgment or that Christians, or that we are judged by who we know. I'm at a loss to see the connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, Jeff2 said: Unfortunately, this does not seem to have anything to do with the Judgment or that Christians, or that we are judged by who we know. I'm at a loss to see the connection. Do you know you have eternal life through Jesus Christ, or you're not sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Noodle Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 573 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/27/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Teditis said: Good works are the fruit of Salvation, not the means of it. Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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