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What is the "First Resurrection" in your view?

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What is "the first resurrection"? Is it when the "dead in Christ rise first"? Is it the resurrection of the "blessed and holy"? the saints? All of them? or just some of them? What is your view?

It appears to me that the "dead in Christ rise first" because they are in the "first resurrection" and over these the 2nd death has no power at all.

 

Almost all Christian groups agree that Revelation 19 describes the 2nd coming - and that there were no chapter divisions in the Greek text of Revelation as written by John. Revelation 20 starts off then in the context of Revaltion 19 - at the 2nd coming.

(Sorry -- I still don't know how to change the text format to get rid of the double spacing in the Bible quote below)

Revelation 20

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

 

Those included in the "first resurrection"

a. Those who were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God

b. And those which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands

So certainly in the case above - the "First resurrection" includes the saints - possibly "all of the saints" in all of time depending on how far back one finds the "beast" to have had influence and to have persecuted the saints -- since it appears that the second death has power over all who are raised 1000 years later in the second resurrection 

Here is what Paul says about it... the saints do rise first.

1 Thess 4

13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope.14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 

 

Your thoughts?

 

in Christ,

 

Bob

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13 hours ago, BobRyan said:

What is "the first resurrection"? Is it when the "dead in Christ rise first"? Is it the resurrection of the "blessed and holy"? the saints? All of them? or just some of them? What is your view?

 

Hi BobRyan,

Glad to see you posted this topic. I have read your view & agree with some of it but differ in some details. I will explain -

I believe the first resurrection is to life, while the last, second, other, resurrection is to judgment.

The First Resurrection to life.

Christ is the first fruits & rose from the dead & now has a resurrected, glorified body. (Acts 2: 31)

The Body of Christ are told that they will be changed in a twinkling of an eye, and thus are resurrected to life. (1 Cor. 15: 52 - 54)

Those who were beheaded in the tribulation, who had not worshipped the beast or his image or taken his mark will be resurrected to life. (Rev. 20: 4)  

 

The Resurrection to Judgment.

Everyone who is in the graves, sea, & Hades will come before God`s judgment throne. Those who did not know of Christ but lived a life according to their conscience will be judged on that & granted to live on the earth in the New Earth. Those who turned from Christ or not knowing of Him lived wicked lives will be sentenced to the lake of fire, which is the second death, (eternally).

regards, Marilyn.

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Interesting. One thing to note is that neither Christ nor anyone else refers to the "first resurrection" event that John sees at the 2nd coming in Revelation 20 - as "the first resurrection". Only John does that. There are other ways that it is spoken of - such as we see in 1Thess 4 "the dead in Christ rise first". And in John 11 "rise again at the last day".

But as you point out - everyone agrees that before John wrote the book of Revelation - we have the historic event of Christ having been raised from the dead.

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It's late so my response will be general.

When people die their spirit leaves their body. The body returns to the dust and the spirit goes to heaven (believers). This is who comes with Jesus when he returns (when the dead in Christ are raised before the transformation of believers who remain alive on Earth at that time). This is the second / general resurrection which continues (after the Christ defeats his enemies at Megiddo) with all the dead being raised for the judgment (which immediately follows every knee bowing and every tongue confessing Jesus Christ is LORD.

Until then, only Jesus is raised (resurrected) from the dead. The rest of the dead are disembodied spirits until the general resurrection (believers in heaven and unbelievers in sheol).

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On 4/17/2017 at 1:43 PM, BobRyan said:

What is "the first resurrection"? Is it when the "dead in Christ rise first"? Is it the resurrection of the "blessed and holy"? the saints? All of them? or just some of them? What is your view?

It appears to me that the "dead in Christ rise first" because they are in the "first resurrection" and over these the 2nd death has no power at all.

 

Almost all Christian groups agree that Revelation 19 describes the 2nd coming - and that there were no chapter divisions in the Greek text of Revelation as written by John. Revelation 20 starts off then in the context of Revaltion 19 - at the 2nd coming.

(Sorry -- I still don't know how to change the text format to get rid of the double spacing in the Bible quote below)

Revelation 20

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

 

Those included in the "first resurrection"

a. Those who were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God

b. And those which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands

So certainly in the case above - the "First resurrection" includes the saints - possibly "all of the saints" in all of time depending on how far back one finds the "beast" to have had influence and to have persecuted the saints -- since it appears that the second death has power over all who are raised 1000 years later in the second resurrection 

Here is what Paul says about it... the saints do rise first.

1 Thess 4

13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope.14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 

 

Your thoughts?

 

in Christ,

 

Bob

Because the Greek word "Zoē," and not the Greek word "bios," for lived, is used at Revelation 20:5, this word must mean spiritual life, it cannot imply physical life, because the Greek word “bios” from which we get biology implies physical life. So, because there is only one physical resurrection from the dead (Acts 17:32, 23:6, 24:21), and please do notice that the word “resurrection” is a singular in these three passages, it isn’t a plural (resurrections), which would imply multiple physical resurrections of human bodies from the dead. Therefore, the first resurrection mentioned at Revelation 20:5 is spiritual, being (non-physical), for those people who have been raised to live and reign with Christ in the intermediate state, in heaven, as well as for saints living upon the earth. The second resurrection, which is implied in the text, but is never mentioned by name as the “second resurrection,” is the single (physical) resurrection of human bodies from the dead, which occurs at the last day and at the last hour at Christ’s second coming.

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8 hours ago, Limey_Bob said:

Because the Greek word "Zoē," and not the Greek word "bios," for lived, is used at Revelation 20:5, this word must mean spiritual life,

It means "to live, breathe, be among the living (not lifeless, not dead)" Strong's G2198  --  AND is not at all mutually exclusive with biological life. As if to say you can only have one or the other

Zoe, in John 1:4: “In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.”  

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So, because there is only one physical resurrection from the dead (Acts 17:32, 23:6, 24:21), and please do notice that the word “resurrection” is a singular in these three passages, it isn’t a plural (resurrections), [/quote][/quote][/quote]

 

A given individual would only be in one of the two resurrections... either what the "Bible" calls the "First Resurrection" in Rev 20 or what it implies as "the second resurrection" in Rev 20 saying that "the REST of the dead did not Come to LIFE until after the 1000 years" Rev 20

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Stong's is a dictionary of usage within the KJV, it is not always accurate and it does not give the actual meaning of Greek words, only the usage in the KJV. Zoe means spititual not biological life, your verse John 1:4 proves that.

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There are a lot of more intensive dictionaries that use the Strong's numbering system.   I use the Complete Word Study Dictionary for both Hebrew and Greek.  Within it is a full page describing how the word Zoē is used and where.

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7 minutes ago, eileenhat said:

I did a lengthy thread on this topic.  It was lengthy because it is a complicated process (ie. both who is resurrected, who is judged) and moderators ruled the thread to be too long with not enough replies and not doctrinal.  

Somewhere along the way, the truth became unpopular.

 

 

Well almost all boards will close a thread after a large number of posts. But usually you can just open a new thread. I always thought the problem with long threads was that people seldom read every post in a long thread (lots of posts). Also long posts are not usually read beyond a paragraph. (I could be wrong about this - just giving my past experience on other boards)

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