nebula Posted April 20, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.97 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted April 20, 2017 'We're Becoming Second-Class Citizens': Huge Implications of Year's Biggest Religious Rights Case When a church preschool was denied state funds for making its playground safer.... http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2017/april/were-becoming-second-class-citizens-huge-implications-of-years-biggest-religious-rights-case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 20, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 593 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 55,868 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 27,622 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 20, 2017 It will be interesting to see how this turns out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemke Posted April 20, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,028 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 451 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/24/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted April 20, 2017 7 hours ago, nebula said: 'We're Becoming Second-Class Citizens': Huge Implications of Year's Biggest Religious Rights Case When a church preschool was denied state funds for making its playground safer.... http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2017/april/were-becoming-second-class-citizens-huge-implications-of-years-biggest-religious-rights-case At a time when Islamic schools are increasing and American Muslims are opting more and more to put their children into them, yes more than just this case alone makes this interesting. I'm not so sure winning a case like this and having the government pay for these things isn't actually a case of losing. I know there is a bigger picture and many arguments about rights and blah blah blah but every where I turn there is a right fight. Can't the Christian school raise the funds to make a play ground safer, why tax payers ? It use to be local business owners and churches would build, fix, maintain playgrounds for the community, now we fight to make the government pay? Just seems like everything becomes a fight anymore and it is simply out of hand. Law ends up cancelling law and we all lose. History of the world. Fight for the right and soon there are none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindle Posted April 20, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 53 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 4,064 Content Per Day: 1.37 Reputation: 3,748 Days Won: 8 Joined: 02/23/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 20, 2017 8 hours ago, nebula said: 'We're Becoming Second-Class Citizens': Huge Implications of Year's Biggest Religious Rights Case When a church preschool was denied state funds for making its playground safer.... http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2017/april/were-becoming-second-class-citizens-huge-implications-of-years-biggest-religious-rights-case WB NEB!! This will be very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill16652 Posted April 20, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 288 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 312 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/25/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 20, 2017 Someone please show me the word seperation in the constitution. It is not worded the way many believe it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, Bill16652 said: Someone please show me the word seperation in the constitution. It is not worded the way many believe it is Yes, separation of church and state is not in the constitution, and not even implied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted April 20, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.73 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, Bill16652 said: Someone please show me the word seperation in the constitution. It is not worded the way many believe it is Is this any different than those people that go "show me the word "rapture" in the Bible", or some other such thing. So, while the word separation is not in the constitution, I think it is clear they did not want a marriage between religion and the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Churchmouse Posted April 20, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,216 Content Per Day: 0.81 Reputation: 1,014 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/29/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/02/1958 Share Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) I remember an argument a few months ago about churches being sued for taking apart in political discussions because that right was tied to us being tax-free. I argued then that if tax-free means we can't lend our voices to the political struggle then that makes our tax-free status a chain around our necks and a muzzle over our mouths. I submitted then that we should give up the Tax-free status ti ensure that we weren't getting the benefit of that, while giving up something more sacred. The right to free speech. Shouldn't this be another reason for giving up our tax free status? If we want to be treated the same we need to be the same. Edited April 20, 2017 by Churchmouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Churchmouse Posted April 20, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,216 Content Per Day: 0.81 Reputation: 1,014 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/29/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/02/1958 Share Posted April 20, 2017 35 minutes ago, Running Gator said: Is this any different than those people that go "show me the word "rapture" in the Bible", or some other such thing. So, while the word separation is not in the constitution, I think it is clear they did not want a marriage between religion and the government. They did not want a state religion that would deny other religions the right to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedByGrace1981 Posted April 20, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,923 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/02/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/22/1953 Share Posted April 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Zemke said: At a time when Islamic schools are increasing and American Muslims are opting more and more to put their children into them, yes more than just this case alone makes this interesting. I'm not so sure winning a case like this and having the government pay for these things isn't actually a case of losing. I know there is a bigger picture and many arguments about rights and blah blah blah but every where I turn there is a right fight. Can't the Christian school raise the funds to make a play ground safer, why tax payers ? It use to be local business owners and churches would build, fix, maintain playgrounds for the community, now we fight to make the government pay? Just seems like everything becomes a fight anymore and it is simply out of hand. Law ends up cancelling law and we all lose. History of the world. Fight for the right and soon there are none. This is a tough case, but I think I'd come down on the side of the church NOT getting the government money. One thing people forget is that with 'government money' comes 'government strings'. Is the church in question here really ready to accept the government regulations that I'm sure will not just be limited to playgrounds? History shows that The Church is more effective in its mission when it is no friend (or beneficiary) of government. Blessings, -Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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