Annette

samson and delilah;
They Did Not Know... It Was of the Lord

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 :rofl:   Samson seems to have a love/hate relationship with the Philistines; loving them :emot-heartbeat:(or the beautiful woman) and killing them too!:noidea:

There was no love lost between Samson and the Philistines, as a people. How awful it must have been to have his eyes taken out, to be betrayed and to know that the Lord's had left him.:broken_heart:It doesn't come as a shock to me, that he was betrayed because prior to him telling Delilah the truth, she tried all other tricks to control him.:fryingpan:

What stood out to me, was early on, when Samson found a Philistine woman that he liked, he would not listen to reason.:sneaking:And then there is a verse that I stood out to me. Judges 14:4 "But his father and his mother knew not that it was of the LORD..."

Do you think that today God still allows us to get into situations because He has plans for us in those situations? 

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I believe that GOD uses the foibles of humans to accomplish HIS purposes. I don't believe that GOD causes bad things to happen to people; that is what Satan and his minions do. But, through HIS perfect foreknowledge, GOD uses that bad for good.

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God doesn't allow you to get into ANY unsavory situation. His word is the way. Anything other than the best in life, is merely a deviation from God's word.

Just because God's word is freedom, doesn't mean mankind listens to God's word. Samson was trying to win the love of the Phillistine Delilah. Phillistines were a tribe against God. Wouldn't work. Same logic applies to animal sacrifices and adherence to the Levitical Law given by Moses.

 

To answer your question: No, God doesn't allow ANY grievous situations, especially since he sent Jesus to die for our sins. WE bring our own misery upon us. The word frees us.

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GOD does allow people to get into unsavory situations. It's called "consequences." HE allowed Job to be destroyed by Satan to prove his faith. HE allowed it because of Job's self-righteousness. Scripture is full of examples of GOD allowing humans to enter unsavory situations. But HE uses those situations to increase their faith or to accomplish HIS purposes.

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God can not live with sin and evil. God loves us. God gives us consequences for the sinful choices that we make because He is a loving Father.

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16 hours ago, Rick_Parker said:

I believe that GOD uses the foibles of humans to accomplish HIS purposes. I don't believe that GOD causes bad things to happen to people; that is what Satan and his minions do. But, through HIS perfect foreknowledge, GOD uses that bad for good.

I know that God can use the bad for good. And I am so glad that He does.

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14 hours ago, Sight said:

God doesn't allow you to get into ANY unsavory situation. His word is the way. Anything other than the best in life, is merely a deviation from God's word.

Just because God's word is freedom, doesn't mean mankind listens to God's word. Samson was trying to win the love of the Phillistine Delilah. Phillistines were a tribe against God. Wouldn't work. Same logic applies to animal sacrifices and adherence to the Levitical Law given by Moses.

 

To answer your question: No, God doesn't allow ANY grievous situations, especially since he sent Jesus to die for our sins. WE bring our own misery upon us. The word frees us.

I like what you said about God's Word being the way; and it being up to us to choose to obey it. 

Blessings 

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13 hours ago, Rick_Parker said:

GOD does allow people to get into unsavory situations. It's called "consequences." HE allowed Job to be destroyed by Satan to prove his faith. HE allowed it because of Job's self-righteousness. Scripture is full of examples of GOD allowing humans to enter unsavory situations. But HE uses those situations to increase their faith or to accomplish HIS purposes.

Romans 8 vs 28 right? 

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer.

Blessings 

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On 4/20/2017 at 2:21 PM, Annette said:

 :rofl:   Samson seems to have a love/hate relationship with the Philistines; loving them :emot-heartbeat:(or the beautiful woman) and killing them too!:noidea:

There was no love lost between Samson and the Philistines, as a people. How awful it must have been to have his eyes taken out, to be betrayed and to know that the Lord's had left him.:broken_heart:It doesn't come as a shock to me, that he was betrayed because prior to him telling Delilah the truth, she tried all other tricks to control him.:fryingpan:

What stood out to me, was early on, when Samson found a Philistine woman that he liked, he would not listen to reason.:sneaking:And then there is a verse that I stood out to me. Judges 14:4 "But his father and his mother knew not that it was of the LORD..."

Do you think that today God still allows us to get into situations because He has plans for us in those situations? 

Hi, I like your colors. I'm playing with those myself. The light green you're using really taxes my eyes. But that's just my eyes so no problem. I still get what you're asking. I think. 

The way I see it, God knows everything thats going to happen all over the world all the time. This whole thing is his creation after all. All of it. The good and the bad all sourced from his divine and immense power and will to make it so. 

Maybe everything that happens to us and that God see's coming is allowed to come so that in the end God knows we'll ultimately turn to him to learn how to survive it all. And our choices bring consequences that we have to face because we set all that stuff in motion. But God knew it was all going to happen already so he is there watching as it unfolds. Always ready and aware that sooner or later we'll set aside our ego that thinks we can handle it all by ourselves. And we'll turn to him to help us. 

The Samson story for instance. Men know the power a beautiful woman can have over their better sense. Delilah and her story survives maybe to warn men today of that kind of thing. 
The Philistines thought they had Samson in their power even though he was the most powerful man in the area because he let himself weaken to the sneaky wiles of a beautiful woman named Delilah. The Philistines got control of God's strongest advocate, strongest warrior, through the seduction of a lose morals lady. But, the Philistines were so cocky thinking they'd chained Samson's power that in their pride they didn't realize they also let his hair grow. And it wasn't hair that was the source of his strength really. At least I don't think that was it. I think that was a metaphor for the crown of heaven that was inside his mind being one with knowing God was the greatest power anywhere. 

And with his mind on God, mind, below the hair? Get it? He could do all things because that strength of unity with God let him do things normal men weren't able to do. 

And that's why when the Philistines thought in their pride they're parade Samson out as a conquered man of God now weak still and in the Philistines custody, they found out they were wrong. That's why Samson took down their temple built to that ego by laying his hands on the load bearing columns that held the whole illusion up. 
He died under the rubble but so too did the Philistines and Delilah. It's a metaphor you see. The power of God is eternal and the facade men erect to their pride is not. 

That's how I see it anyway. 

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The story of Samson and Delilah is a favorite of mine. It is an illustration of how much grace God shows to us, when we make mistakes over and over. Samson ultimately meets the will and purposes of God at the cost of his own life. It is such a great story that movies have been made about it.

However, I want to take the time to spin a "what if" yarn. What if Samson had not gone against his parents wishes and married a nice Jewish girl? Because the Philistines were oppressing Israel, Samson would probably have still come into conflict with them and Samson would probably have still killed the 1000 with the jawbone of an ass. The Philistines would probably still have come looking for Goliath to take him captive.  Without the distraction of Delilah, Samson could have concentrated on his Nazirite vow and come to a full understanding of his role as a Judge of Israel. He would have continued to kill Philistines until he died of old age....perhaps until he was 70 or 80 instead of dying in his mid-20's. How many more Philistines would Samson have killed. How much more of God's judgment would have been visited upon the Philistines? Or perhaps, Samson would have been so successful that he wiped out the Philistines.

But that is what if. In reality, God did not just judge the Philistines, He judged their false god as well. When Samson destroyed their temple, he defied and defiled their god. It was a long time before they could have faith in their false god again.

All in all, I like the story as written because it illustrates that God even uses sinners to accomplish His will. I grieve for Samson because he was so controlled by his lusts and his pride...but I am really grieving for myself because all to often I am controlled by my own lust and pride. I wish it were not so. But I thank Jesus every day for grace and mercy and for forgiving my sins. So I can learn from Samson without having to make the same mistakes he did.

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