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1 hour ago, LovelyJoni said:

I do not like this pulpit & pen guy, I don't believe the Lord has called anyone to sit online and pick others apart. Yes we are to have discernment but not to the point where it has become our obsession instead of the love of God. Seems Satan either wants us to have no discernment or to become so obsessed with it we end up attacking our brothers and sisters in Christ. Not edifying at all.

Very astute. Thank you for posting here and seeing the truth. :)

JD Hall and his associate Jeff Maples, that could be a pseudonym JD Hall uses, do not edify Christ. JD Hall if you look on the Net has a horrible reputation for bullying and cleaving Christians apart with his obsessive attacks. Orthodox Christianity appears to be his latest fixation.

The tragedy is the young life that cut itself short for the assault JD Hall waged against the young man who committed suicide due to the predatory nature of Hall who focused his attack on the boy and his father. A Baptist minister. Did you read that in the links above? I never imagined such a thing from a self-proclaimed pastor.

Attacking a Baptist family so that the child of that family kills himself. And then making an act of contrition to a Christian publication realizing the consequences of those attacks on that grieving family that would befall Hall's ministry. Personal security, monetary insurance, the impetus. Not true sorrow and repentance for such terrible behavior. And Hall later would return to the same behavior and against a husband and wife. Also in the articles here in this thread. I was shocked that Hall was that far gone. I thought Hank Hanegraaff was his Christian of choice.

Hall and Maples attack on Hank Hanegraaff isn't the first attack waged on a true servant of God. Hall and Maples have gone after Pastor Greg Laurie of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Riverside, California. After the attack on the Baptist minister to the point his child kills himself , why would a man of God pursue anyone else with such venom? There are many that he's targeted. Search it out. I think that is what makes the effort Hall is now making against Christian Orthodox so transparent and easily identified as work of God's enemy. Indwelt by the Holy Spirit harasses a Christian Baptist boy till he takes the life God gave him? And doesn't stop there even after pretending to grieve the son's loss and repent to the Christianity Today publication?

Hall isn't an Apologist. Nor is Maples. Though I believe they do owe Christ a deep apology for taking his name in vain.

Recently to sustain the assault Hall and Maples and their associates have formed against Orthodox Christianity the work, and also personal attack ministry of Dr. Paul Elliot was introduced in a different thread. One that also calls out the inappropriateness of Hall.

I've known of Elliot for years. Paul M. Elliott is such a divisive spirit that he joined with others and formed their own doctrinal denomination. The Evangelical Reformed Presbyterian Church, or ERPC.

Why would they align to do this?

Paul Elliott and his comrades  opposed the teaching of justification by faith! Wherein works were an example of being in the faith and indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Recall the teachings of James in scripture who tells us faith without works is dead? We can have all the faith in the world, but if we don't act in the spirit of Christ what good is our faith? If we're not charitable of heart, giving to the needy, Christ like as it were. 

Elliot and his ultra-right conservatives that formed their own denominational doctrine were also opposed to the doctrine of water baptism as an instrument of salvation.

Remember the teachings of Jesus? One must be born of the spirit and water in order to enter the Kingdom?
He and his comrades opposed these teachings because they were part of denominations such as the Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) and the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA).
Is it a wonder Elliot's writings are now being used to further the campaign against Orthodox Christians on the net? And Like Hall and Maples, Elliot goes after Christians and pastors and attacks their righteous commitment to faith. When Elliot's own denominational doctrine he helped form has its genesis in all that is opposed to Christ's teachings.

It is a tragedy that there are those who think they are in Christ when they believe the leading of persons such as that. What is worse is when those who know better still promote the division just those three men, Hall, Maples, Elliot, seek to install into the worlds true Christians.


 

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Joshua,

These two points concern me. Would you mind elaborating on each based on my comments below? Thanks.

Salvation--"the term used to describe deliverance from sin and death, union with Christ and abiding with God forever in eternity. Salvation is a process from Baptism until death. It is not an instant movement of "being saved" by pronouncing a simple formula of trust in Jesus as personal Savior. We are saved through faith, a gift from God, but our salvation must show itself in works of righteousness. We gain the grace of salvation through the Mysteries of the Church. St. Paul refers to "working out" once salvation in "fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12)."

Scripture and Tradition--"these are not to be understood as complementary or conflicting authorities in Orthodoxy. The Church does not accept the idea of "autarkeia" or "Sola Scriptura." Orthodoxy sees Holy Scripture was a product of, or fruit, of Tradition. God, in fact does not speak to the Bible alone, since the Fathers were witnesses to the early faith, and along with the liturgy, creed, and decrees of the faith transmit divine Truth to all believers. The Orthodox Church teaches us that the books of the Bible are based on a huge body of oral tradition whose limits are not able to be defined."

1. salvation:  is this saying, ones good works AFFIRMS OR VALIDATES one's faith. In other words, good works proves an existence of faith.  

And what does it mean when it says "we gain the grace of salvation through the mysteries of the Church?

Is baptism necessary for ones salvation? Do you have to be baptized in your church or any church? 

2. Orthodoxy sees Holy Scripture as a fruit or product of tradition. This obviously is a huge difference with Protestantism, who adhere to Sola Scripture. The RCC has something similar and thus make you believe their Popes pass on infallible teachings.

I for one do not want any man to pass on his wisdom to another person and then to another and finally to me. This in a way reminds me of this game where you tell something to someone and then pass it on to the person next to you and go around a circle. By the time it gets to you, it's completely different. 

Any thoughts on what I said or what is said here?

thanks,

spock

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6 hours ago, Wayne222 said:

I don't know who Pastor Hall is. But I know debates over doctrine or anything can go over board until people in the body of christ are enemies. We try to defend truth but end up walking in hate and darkness. Now the hate is on for Hank . As if he cannot be a teacher and host for a bible based show. I heard they took him off some big radio stations already. To me this is persecution. God will judge this. We persecute Christians who uphold christ while we have Islam on our backs. Pretty stupid. 

I think if you read the history of Hall and Maples you'll see they are dedicated to persecution of the church. What pastor harasses a Baptist minister and his son to the point the son takes the life God gave him just to escape it? And after that horrible loss due to a grown man's actions against a boy, the man fakes an apology to a Christian publication so as to save his bread and butter, and they continues to target Christians of choice exactly as venomously as before. 

That sounds like the tactic of ISIS. Not the heart of that man that is indwelt by God's holy spirit. Pastors are suppose to lead the flock. Not use a cleaver and attack the flock, proudly mount their wool on his desk, and go after more fleece. That's what Hall and Maples are doing. Without apology to Hank Hanegraaff. They want to destroy him the way they have others. To the point their targeted one takes their own life even. 

That's ISIS behavior. Targeting Christians because they are Christians ISIS thinks deserve to be assaulted. And ISIS believes in Jesus! Just not the way that Christians do. That too is like unto the behavior of Hall and Maples. They believe in Jesus, they just believe they have the right to invoke his name and name call Christians. Or, cast aspersions in their total ignorance, cultivate hate toward, the Orthodox Christians. 

Hall and Maples published a fake call for sympathy for the Egyptian Orthodox Christians slaughtered by ISIS in on Palm Sunday in two different churches that were attacked. And then had the twisted heart behind that fake call for sympathy to say, those who were slaughtered WERE NOT CHRISTIANS! That's where Hall and Maples diverge from ISIS. Even ISIS knew the Coptic Orthodox they targeted for death, martyrdom, were Christians. 

It's pretty bad when a terrorist entity knows more about Orthodox Christians than Hall and Maples. 

 

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3 hours ago, JoshuasonFlower said:

It does my heart good that the member saints here at Worthy are challenging those who are dedicated to condemning the Orthodox faith. In so doing the saints give cause for those committed to demonstrate they know nothing , in their own words as proof, about the Orthodox Christian faith.

Praise God!

For those who would review this thread discussion to this point and take what is said by people here, the opponents of Orthodoxy and those who know we are defending our brothers and sisters in Christ, I would suggest if the time was spent to learn about the Orthodox faith as much as is spent demonstrating no knowledge as some have and continue to, this new schism among the members of Worthy Christians would be averted.

Case in point, one might wish to visit an Orthodox Christian website that hopes to teach what is believed. This way the falsehoods that have been promoted against the church for the express purpose of excising the Orthodox people from Christ's church would be defeated. If one can take the time to entertain false witness against the church and hope to reason with what knows no reason to learn about Orthodox Christianity they can better identify the false witness. And then see what purpose is behind it.

For instance, there is a falsehood promoted in the world that claims the Orthodox Christian church does not believe in “Scripture alone, faith alone, grace alone, and Christ alone”.

There is a favorite go-to information site for many a Christian known as, "Got Questions". Their entry concerning Orthodox Christianity makes the claim the Orthodox church does not hold to those tenets.

Read closely. No Christian holds to those tenets of isolation. Because they are contradictory and would then make the truth of God and Christ conflicting for the irrationality demonstrated in a simple word with four traits affirmed by and within our faith. "Alone". 

Alone=1.Isolated and lonely. 2.)Indicating that something is confined to the specified subject or recipient

Grace alone.
Grace, by itself?

No, there must be faith alone. So it is said. Right? But faith isn't alone, all by itself. isolated,  because there is Scripture.

Scripture alone?

Without grace, and faith?

No, grace and faith are requisite for the believer in God and Jesus Christ. Oh, well then there's scripture alone. Scripture all by itself?
From whence was scripture born? Through the giving of God and his divine inspiration that spoke to what amounts to over 40 different authors of his holy word. Scripture all by itself?

Alone?

Christ alone? Isolated. By himself? See John 3:16.

Or is it a collaboration instead? That which works first by the grace of God the Father to deliver then His Son Jesus? So that his ministry, purpose, death, burial, resurrection, would deliver the message of redemption. Made possible by God' grace first. So that hearing of Jesus, through the oral tradition in the beginning as was the case when Jesus walked, we would then be blessed to read of it with the invention of the printing press that gave God's truth to the world.

God's scriptures, God's breath. Alone? All by itself?

Or did it have a beginning ? How about, Grace, Christ, Faith, Scripture together? That bring us to the light of the world. So that we who are born into a world of sin are not left to die alone without hope. 

 

Another thing that has been claimed falsely is that the Orthodox do not hold to Imputed Righteousness. Another falsehood easily cast aside with truth if one but takes the time and has the respect for sisters and brothers in Christ to read what they have to say about the faith they have been martyred for more than any other Christians.
 

 

Those interested to learn far more can click that link in the quote box above sourcing the full article on Orthodox teachings and beliefs concerning God's Righteousness and find far more detail on all that is true about the Orthodox tradition. Keeping in mind, Greek Orthodox Christian, Eastern Orthodox Christian, and so forth, are all referring to the same church tradition of Christian Orthodoxy. The Greek, Eastern, etc... preceding the Orthodox title are terms identifying the region in which the parish exists.

For the quick study or those who do not wish to read an entire Orthodox Christian information site there is this shared from the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry or, CARM.

Dictionary of Terms of the Orthodox Church by Matt Slick

Let's take a few other things that have been falsely claimed about our Orthodox brothers and sisters. Remembering that the great schism of 1054 helped to create the many denominations that exist today. And while we all hold to the belief in God, God's grace, Jesus, Faith, and Scripture, and the means of salvation being the cross, how we revere God, worship, celebrate the Holy Spirit, are unique to the churches, denominations. Imagine! Having how we give praise to God condemned as that which "proves" we are not Christians . When the heart of the Gospel is believed by all. And especially tragic is when we are slaughtered for believing in God and Jesus and there are those who would say while we deserve false pity, we did not die deserving to be called Christian!

 

A few excerpts from the Dictionary above so as to quickly put right the false information circulating against Orthodoxy on the Net.

Born Again--"translated literally, "born from above." In order to gain eternal life the person must be born again to new life. This new birth is through Jesus Christ in the Mystery of Baptism. This new life is received from the Holy Spirit through the sanctifying waters of baptism."

Faith--"the power given us by Almighty God which enables us to believe what He has revealed to us. Faith is necessary for salvation and must be accompanied by good works, as a sign that one is indeed imbued with faith itself.

Grace--"the name given to the assistance by a loving and compassionate God to those who seek his help. Grace also refers to the mercy of God and his abundant goodwill to men and women of all ages . . . It is this power which sanctifies, gives life and perfects that which is in the church for the benefit of her numbers . . . We must cooperate with his grace . . . if he (who claims the name Christian) does not bear in his heart the conviction that the grace of God, given for faith, is the mercy of God . . . If he does not labor with the aim of receiving the grace of God, first of all through baptism, or if he had it and it departed by reason of his sin, to cause it to return again through repentance, confession, and a self belittling life, and if, in giving alms, fasting and performing vigils, prayers and the rest, he thinks he is performing glorious virtues and good deeds valuable in themselves, the labors and exhausts in vain."

Justification--"the process of God for giving the repentant sinner and making him a righteous person. We are unable to gain justification through good works are human merit, since justification is a free gift of God given to the faithful when they respond to His love and truth. True faith is not just belief but a sincere commitment to Christ which is shown forth by works of righteousness.

Salvation--"the term used to describe deliverance from sin and death, union with Christ and abiding with God forever in eternity. Salvation is a process from Baptism until death. It is not an instant movement of "being saved" by pronouncing a simple formula of trust in Jesus as personal Savior. We are saved through faith, a gift from God, but our salvation must show itself in works of righteousness. We gain the grace of salvation through the Mysteries of the Church. St. Paul refers to "working out" once salvation in "fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12)."

Scripture and Tradition--"these are not to be understood as complementary or conflicting authorities in Orthodoxy. The Church does not accept the idea of "autarkeia" or "Sola Scriptura." Orthodoxy sees Holy Scripture was a product of, or fruit, of Tradition. God, in fact does not speak to the Bible alone, since the Fathers were witnesses to the early faith, and along with the liturgy, creed, and decrees of the faith transmit divine Truth to all believers. The Orthodox Church teaches us that the books of the Bible are based on a huge body of oral tradition whose limits are not able to be defined."

 

This I set here because another false claim is made about the Orthodox. That they worship idols. This is false.

Icon--"a painting on wood or other material representing our Lord, the All Holy Virgin, saints, or events in their lives. Icons are produced in all sizes, and may be portable or stationary, e.g., painted on a wall or on iconostasis . . . Orthodox churches are replete with icons and the first action of any believer upon entering the sanctuary will be to reverence the Holy Table by bowing in front of the Holy Doors, and then the icons of our Lord and the Mother of God, and the various saints . . . icons are to be honored and venerated but never worshiped, for that is something reserved for God alone."

If we remember the books of the New Testament named for what is believed to be the Apostles who walked with our Lord, we honor their testimony and recollection of Jesus words in his ministry. We recognize Paul, who was beheaded, martyred, for his preaching of God's truth through Jesus Christ.

Do we worship Paul?

Of course not. Icon's help in a visually inclined society where words bring visual imaginings of what the word is, defines, depicts in reality or imagining. Icon's do the same when there were no camera's present in first century A.D. . Jesus died on the cross. Do any hear wear a cross on a chain?


Jesus spoke in parables which are poems.Often repeating those familiar to the Jews who followed him for being that like unto what were read to them from the Hebrew sacred scrolls in Temple. Remember, Jesus did teach in the Temple. He knew the Hebrew Bible by heart because his Father gave it to us then. As he did that which Christians use now.

The Bible is written with simile, a figure of speech designed to deliver vivid imagery of the message. It is also written using allegory, which is a teaching method delivering a story, a poem, intended to reveal a hidden message , visualization, in the wording. The Bible also incorporates metaphor. Metaphor is a figure of speech which makes an implicit, implied or hidden comparison between two things that are unrelated but share some common characteristics.

Therefore, don't be misled to think Orthodox Christians worship idols when they have never done so. I do not worship the cross that hangs as a tiny wooden pendant about the leather thong about my neck. It reminds me when I feel it against my flesh that I exist as one reborn and my sins covered by the blood that covered the actual cross when Rome crucified the Savior of the world our Holy Spirit Father by his grace sent to be born into the world. And die for the sins of the world taken upon himself on the cross.

It is in the spirit of that sacrifice that I write this hugely long post so as to pray it help deliver even one member here from what is intending to mislead the whole of Worthy from the truth of the heart of Orthodox Christianity. The heart of their faith is God, grace, Jesus, Faith, Scripture, Repentance, Redemption, Baptism, Regeneration, Confession, as we're told to do when we sin, though those are not held against us because we now have an advocate on our behalf in the form of Jesus in Heaven unto the Father.

Why don't we strive to live in community? Rather than permit ourselves to be cleaved by that which hopes to fracture the truth of God in Jesus Christ.

Learn the history of the Orthodox church. The Apostle John-Mark founded what today is called the Eastern Orthodox church. Tell me, which one of you would say, John-Mark did not know Jesus? Then why would you follow that which does not know Orthodox Christianity? Yet hopes you will believe them and turn against the oldest church on God's Earth?


Laus Deo ,

J.

 

It took me awhile to read just what you added to this thread. Thank you so much for your commitment to this thread and the truth about the motive behind the predators that are the likes of JD Hall and his associate Maples. Wow! I wish I could give you gobs of kudos instead of one per post.:emot-hug:

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At one time there was only the Orthodox Church and the Roman Church. No protestant church at all. It shows you who for the last of two thousands years was the body of christ. 

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48 minutes ago, Wayne222 said:

At one time there was only the Orthodox Church and the Roman Church. No protestant church at all. It shows you who for the last of two thousands years was the body of christ. 

The body of Christ is not buildings and membership.

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51 minutes ago, Wayne222 said:

At one time there was only the Orthodox Church and the Roman Church. No protestant church at all. It shows you who for the last of two thousands years was the body of christ. 

I'm not sure what point you are making here. Just because they may have been the only show in town doesn't make them good.  Yes, there were those two churches, but don't tell me you are proud of their accomplishments and all the good work that resulted from Constantine to Martin Luther. 

I cant imagine God was pleased. The history books are full of corruption, compromise, and ungodliness during those horrible dark ages. Does it make you proud to read about the Crusades, Jewish Pogroms, Inquisitions, torture, etc.  to those who didn't tow the line? 

You are scaring me here, Wayne. 

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1 hour ago, Spock said:

I'm not sure what point you are making here. Just because they may have been the only show in town doesn't make them good.  Yes, there were those two churches, but don't tell me you are proud of their accomplishments and all the good work that resulted from Constantine to Martin Luther. 

I cant imagine God was pleased. The history books are full of corruption, compromise, and ungodliness during those horrible dark ages. Does it make you proud to read about the Crusades, Jewish Pogroms, Inquisitions, torture, etc.  to those who didn't tow the line? 

You are scaring me here, Wayne. 

Why bring all that up. Like Paul wrote not all of Israel is Israel. Anyone knows there were times God's church fell away but never all of it. Is God pleased with what goes on in protestant churchs. All the money corruptions. Other sandals?  Read the seven churchs of revelation.  Some of them  God was not please. Your point is not strong.

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10 minutes ago, Yowm said:

I'm not sure why we are talking Gospel when the EO does not preach (evangelize) the Gospel to my knowledge...they basically baptize babies for converts and sheep steal adults from other groups.

Why hate the Orthodox Church.  Have you gone to one ? Maybe God is doing a work there you don't even know.

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4 minutes ago, Yowm said:

I hate all teachings that run contrary to Scripture and failing the Gospel and leading people into religion rather than a living relationship. I feel sorry for those snared in such a system.

I ask why do you think Orthodox Christians don't have a relationship with the trinity?  I think many do. I have been going to other sites and reading Orthodox writings on the gospel. I don't find that to be the case.

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