spiderman1917 Posted April 28, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,028 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 810 Days Won: 2 Joined: 02/24/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) 2 Corinthians 4:4New Living Translation (NLT) 4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News." Wouldn't you say that the Devil can't be god of this world without God willing him to be God of this world? Also, can he blind the minds of those who don't believe, without God giving him permission to? That Scripture was written after Satan was already defeated. In the OT, Satan needed God's permission to kill Jobs family and afflict Job with disease, so God was responsible for Satan's actions against Job, no? So, he needed God's permission even before Christ defeated him on the cross. How much more does he need God's permission today? If Satan is going to blind people's minds, i'm guessing he can't do so without God's permission and willing it. Could Satan be God of this world without God wanting him to be God of this world? If your answer is, no, God doesn't want Satan to be God of this world, that doesn't make sense, because if God didn't want it, he could restrain Satan and cast him and all Demons into hell the day Jesus died on the cross. So, it seems clear, the answer is yes, for now God wants Satan to be god of this world. God wants the Antichrist to be in power for a time as well. Scripture says that Jesus defeated Satan at the cross. It's done! It's Finished! The victory is accomplished. Satan is essentially a prisoner, a defeated foe, disarmed! He can do what his victorious Master allows him to do. It also seems that the answer is yes, God shares responsibility for Satan's actions. How can Satan tempt someone, or put an antichrist in power, or do anything without God giving him permission to? He's a defeated foe! Is God in any way limited in what he can do to stop the Devil? Of course not! Edited April 28, 2017 by spiderman1917 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman1917 Posted April 28, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,028 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 810 Days Won: 2 Joined: 02/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 Try to understand that the reason I would start a thread like this is because I want to know who this God is. The more I know about this God, the more I can love God. This is an extremely important detail to know about God. It is a detail about God that most Christians seem to be oblivious of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted April 28, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 306 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,130 Content Per Day: 4.64 Reputation: 27,806 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 28, 2017 We've all been telling you since you joined....you are not going to fall in love with God by hoping to know ABOUT Him ,,,,,you must desire to KNOW HIM(RElationship),thats the REceive Wisdom & Understanding that you say you don't have & you are correct.....Faith is not Activated by reading "a book" ,it comes by HEARING the Living Word of God,,,,,through Power of the Holy Spirit,you must Seek Gods Face ...."Jesus" is the answer Seems to me every THread is the same Topic only slightly different Titles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted April 28, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,763 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,161 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted April 28, 2017 1 hour ago, spiderman1917 said: Try to understand that the reason I would start a thread like this is because I want to know who this God is. The more I know about this God, the more I can love God. This is an extremely important detail to know about God. It is a detail about God that most Christians seem to be oblivious of. Let's start from the beginning what is a born Christian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 1 hour ago, spiderman1917 said: 2 Corinthians 4:4New Living Translation (NLT) 4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News." Wouldn't you say that the Devil can't be god of this world without God willing him to be God of this world? Also, can he blind the minds of those who don't believe, without God giving him permission to? That Scripture was written after Satan was already defeated. In the OT, Satan needed God's permission to kill Jobs family and afflict Job with disease, so God was responsible for Satan's actions against Job, no? So, he needed God's permission even before Christ defeated him on the cross. How much more does he need God's permission today? If Satan is going to blind people's minds, i'm guessing he can't do so without God's permission and willing it. Could Satan be God of this world without God wanting him to be God of this world? Satan is the god of this world, but he is not the Lord of it. Big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted April 28, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted April 28, 2017 I think maybe you are having trouble with the concept of free will. God gave free will to all of creation, including the angels. Allowing someone the right to decide their own actions and being responsible for their actions are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman1917 Posted April 28, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,028 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 810 Days Won: 2 Joined: 02/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 12 minutes ago, angels4u said: Let's start from the beginning what is a born Christian? Someone who accepts Jesus as Lord and savior and is enlightened and transformed and born of the spirit not the flesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted April 28, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,763 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,161 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted April 28, 2017 Just now, spiderman1917 said: Someone who accepts Jesus as Lord and savior and is enlightened and transformed and born of the spirit not the flesh Are you born again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman1917 Posted April 28, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,028 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 810 Days Won: 2 Joined: 02/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 8 minutes ago, wingnut- said: I think maybe you are having trouble with the concept of free will. God gave free will to all of creation, including the angels. Allowing someone the right to decide their own actions and being responsible for their actions are two different things. 9 minutes ago, wingnut- said: I think maybe you are having trouble with the concept of free will. God gave free will to all of creation, including the angels. Allowing someone the right to decide their own actions and being responsible for their actions are two different things. If I could choose to not have sinful inclinations and choose to have no confusion, I would choose that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman1917 Posted April 28, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,028 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 810 Days Won: 2 Joined: 02/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, angels4u said: Are you born again ? I have been filled with the holy spirit, been transformed to a certain extent, have the gift of tounges, but am not fully enlightened, so I don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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