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kenny2212    29

I agree that Man is a Spirit and that the body without the spirit is dead (James 2:26). But people understand it wrongly. The body could actually be alive without the spirit. There is a life force in the body. Leviticus 17:11- For the life of the flesh is in the blood... I used to understand it wrongly before. Also I think JohnD is right about God knowing children who would accept Jesus when they grow up. God knows the future.

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Heb 13:8    199
1 hour ago, kenny2212 said:

The body could actually be alive without the spirit.

That's like a bulb working without electricity. Notice man didn't become alive until God breathed life (His spirit) into him..

Gen 2:7 Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath (neshamah) of life, and the man became a living being.

John 3:8 The wind (pneuma) blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit (pneuma)."

neshamah in Hebrew is actually translated "breath" in Gen 2:7, and pneuma in Greek which is translated "breath" is described as "spirit" in John 3:8.

body + spirit = living soul

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warrior12    907
Just now, Heb 13:8 said:

body + spirit = living soul

correct.

Hebrews 4       King James Version (KJV)

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

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kenny2212    29

I didn't say the body and the spirit doesn't equal the living soul. What I was saying is that comparison can not be made between an electric bulb and a human being. An electric bulb is purely physical while a human being is a spirit, has a soul and lives in a body.

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Heb 13:8    199
6 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

That's not a correct analogy. A bulb doesn't have a spirit.

Matt 5:14, 1 Thess 5:5

4 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

I didn't say the body and the spirit doesn't equal the living soul. What I was saying is that comparison can not be made between an electric bulb and a human being. An electric bulb is purely physical while a human being is a spirit, has a soul and lives in a body.

kenny, i'm using a bulb and electricity as an analogy.

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shiloh357    31,274
21 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

I agree that Man is a Spirit and that the body without the spirit is dead (James 2:26). But people understand it wrongly. The body could actually be alive without the spirit. There is a life force in the body. Leviticus 17:11- For the life of the flesh is in the blood... I used to understand it wrongly before. Also I think JohnD is right about God knowing children who would accept Jesus when they grow up. God knows the future.

Lev. 17:11 is talking about animals, not humans.  We could never be alive without a spirit.  That is one thing that separates us from the animal kingdom.

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Yowm    6,648
21 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

body without the spirit is dead

 

21 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

The body could actually be alive without the spirit.

Now I'm really confused. Which is it? 

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Daniel 11:36    305

No body can be alive with out a spirit

It is the spirit that continues regardless of the physical body .... no doubt 

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eileenhat    429
23 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

I agree that Man is a Spirit and that the body without the spirit is dead (James 2:26). But people understand it wrongly. The body could actually be alive without the spirit. There is a life force in the body. Leviticus 17:11- For the life of the flesh is in the blood... I used to understand it wrongly before. Also I think JohnD is right about God knowing children who would accept Jesus when they grow up. God knows the future.

I tend to see that as real possibility too based upon my own work in this area.

But it quickly becomes a point of division to discuss, ie. are all men alike?

I mean can some be with a different spirit inhabiting them?

I looked into the Hebrew ideas about it and they break it all down further and do not say the exact same thing as Evangelicals etc. say about the parts that make up a human.  They make a little bit more sense.

Not so 'clear' cut about this topic (so it is murky waters to explore).

Looked around for article about and this one popped out.

Excerpt:

"Ezekiel wrote “The soul who sins shall die” (Ezk 18:20a) but we see a different word here in the Hebrew which is “nephesh” and is closely related to a physical being as it means “creature, living being (with life in the blood),” and “the man himself, person.”  Thusly, we need to look at the original words and Ezekiel uses the soul as a living, breathing, life-in-the-blood, being."

link:  http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2014/04/26/what-is-the-difference-between-the-soul-and-the-spirit-a-bible-study/

Not sure about articles premise....just more aspects to look upon.

 

 

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