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So God is spirit and then there is another spirit from the spirit,  this is what's being said.

Why make another spirit when God is the spirit ?

If God is everywhere because he is spirit, then what's the purpose of him creating another spirit, to be where he is not ?

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10 minutes ago, Happinessity said:

God is the holy spirit. And God was also Jesus Christ. There's only one God. 

The idea of the trinity in my view is to help identify the actions of God in his will here on earth. When the holy spirit spoke to someone or orchestrated something, it was always God. Jesus of course was God. And as we learned in the Old Testament when it all began God was one. There's only one. Just three different identities being labeled in God's actions throughout the scripture.But it is all God. Jesus was called Immanuel and that meant, God with us. 

It sounds like there are three but that's always God working his will as one God. 

Sound like 3 , but you really see 2 ?

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Just now, Bible_Gazer said:

Sound like 3 , but you really see 2 ?

There's only one. 

God is a spirit. John 4:24 "God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth."

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord Deuteronomy 6:4 

Jesus was forseen in the texts of the Old Testament books of the prophets. Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

“Behold the virgin shall conceive, and she shall bear a son, and they shall call his Name Emmanuail, which is translated, 'Our God is with us'“. Matthew 1:23

It is all of one God who is the holy spirit that we call God. Or Yahweh, or I Am, or Elohim, which encompasses his will and his empowering his divine plan by that will to action when he begat upon the virgin girl Mary his spirit that would be born into the world as a human child imbued with the holy spirit of God his father. 

 

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On 4/14/2017 at 8:55 PM, Bible_Gazer said:

The one trouble I have with trinity is the spirit.

They say that God is spirit, so we know God his holy, so that make him a holy spirit.

Then the trinity is saying that there is another holy spirit from God, so why another spirit when God is that spirit ?

They say they are the same, yet they gotta make a trinity for some reason.

I know this does not hold true to all trinity belief, I know of one group that believe that the father has a body.

Genesis 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

 

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

 

From the very first verse of the bible we see the Holy Spirit, and we see that God the Father has an image in verse 26.  Just as the disciples could see Jesus in His spiritual body following the resurrection, God has a spiritual body as well.  The Holy Spirit does not have a spiritual body.

God bless

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16 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

Genesis 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

 

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

 

From the very first verse of the bible we see the Holy Spirit, and we see that God the Father has an image in verse 26.  Just as the disciples could see Jesus in His spiritual body following the resurrection, God has a spiritual body as well.  The Holy Spirit does not have a spiritual body.

God bless

If we use the word our as being more than one, then the Holy Spirit has a body also.

 

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4 minutes ago, Bible_Gazer said:

If we use the word our as being more than one, then the Holy Spirit has a body also.

 

Scripture identifies who the Our is, the Word of God, Jesus Christ.

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Just now, wingnut- said:

Scripture identifies who the Our is, the Word of God, Jesus Christ.

God bless

I agree, Jesus was the other one with God. also agree God has a body. So God can only be in one place and he used his spirit to  make and to move things  for him, but that spirit does not have a mind of its own because it is just a spirit from him.

You can't separate  God's spirit from him,  those two are one being.  Jesus was separate from God even tho he came from God. Just as man came from God.

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22 minutes ago, Bible_Gazer said:

I agree, Jesus was the other one with God. also agree God has a body. So God can only be in one place and he used his spirit to  make and to move things  for him, but that spirit does not have a mind of its own because it is just a spirit from him.

You can't separate  God's spirit from him,  those two are one being.  Jesus was separate from God even tho he came from God. Just as man came from God.

I didn't separate them, God did as clearly defined in the first two verses of the bible.  There is God in verse 1, and the Spirit of God in verse 2.

Genesis 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

 

Not God, but the Spirit of God, also known as the Holy Spirit.

God bless

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On 4/2/2017 at 0:35 AM, Giller said:

I totally agree that Jesus is not the Father, and the Father is not Jesus.

I have dealt with a oneness Pentecostal group in the past, and of course they deny the trinity, and put Jesus as being all three, were Jesus is all of these persons.

I love these particular scriptures, which shows the distinctness of the Father and the Son.

Phm 1:3
(3)  Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
 

Eph 6:23
(23)  Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

Col 1:2
(2)  To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

2Th 1:2-3
(2)  Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
(3)  We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;

ok well that explains the thread then . Nice post.

I don't run into "Oneness Pentecostals" that much I guess. Did not realize they believed that Christ is the Father.

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17 minutes ago, Bible_Gazer said:

If we use the word our as being more than one, then the Holy Spirit has a body also.

 

Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is no other; there is no God besides Me”

Maybe see it all as when God uses a plural identity for itself that it is the best way an eternal and holy spirit chooses to communicate to itself from itself being we exist created from itself in the beginning. As is all things under the sun created too. 

We're not ever really separated from the totality that is I Am. Because that is where we came from first.Body, mind, and soul. We have our own trinity of sorts. Born from that which is creator soul, of an infinite mind, able to manifest itself in the body called God with us. So as to meet us face to face and tell us it isn't really a matter of faith HE exists. It is a matter of fact now that the faith has caused us to believe we can know the God in us. If we just face ourselves. 

Everything Immanuel Jesus did during his time on earth was to deliver a visual image behind a spiritual truth. How can we hear God if we don't know first where to look? We're visually predisposed as human creatures. 
Say, "Tree". What comes to mind? 

Say, "God". As a primitive having no concept of what that means human society has created a picture to fit that thought of God. the question of why this world is what is is. Ancient people put a stone there where our visual of Jesus lives today. Ancients put "tree" there. Buffalo there. Self there. 

God is everything. There really is no separation just power creating of itself, from itself, according to the infinite plan born of itself. 

You know, we're never going to arrive at a consensus as to what God looks like. Trinity, or otherwise. We're not going to reach an accord as one deciding among the billions of us what The One looks like . To meet our ideal of what it has to look like to satisfy our mind that that really is The God. 

That we breathe proves that God is. Jesus was too. Jesus was God showing people the potential people who connect with him in body, mind, and spirit, can achieve. If they just let go of thinking this flesh comes first. And often that's what divides the human family on earth. We all have this idea of what it is to understand the reason for being. And that is always born from the ego that first thinks it can achieve through itself what that human mind will agree and the consciousness accept the limits thereof, when we each believe we know what God looks like to us. 

Then we have this need to tell ourselves that in order to find the answer to that question of what is God? We have to lose ourselves. But that we frame limits and identity upon the answer that God must arrive at to meet our question to show proof God is, we use our self awareness. And to sustain that as being right, because we're selfish and self-absorbed, we set bars, criteria, milestones, that what we're led to believe is God must meet in order for us to believe we are worshiping the one true God. 

 

We're a riot when I think about it. We look to arrive at a consciousness that denies flesh. Then the products of flesh, mind,ego, sets an ideal for what it will look like when we arrive there. As "its" favorite. 

Chosen people. 
There is only one way......

God, from whence all that exists came to exist, has a favorite. 

Yeah, that's a higher consciousness. 

As long as we can think we can picture what it means to be the one true God we're always going to be wandering the desert and across generations following that voice that calls us forward and promises there is a shape to it. Just work a little longer, live a little longer, do a few things in faith, and you'll know it. You'll believe it. You'll see it for yourself. Something other that arrives to live sealed inside yourself. Does it come from without? Or is it actually activated from within? When all is God, so too are we particles of the body of God. 

Finding Jesus, the gateway, as he's called, the door, is opening to what is behind the door inside your awareness of those limits surrounding identity as "self". Behold God with us stands at that door and knocks. Even in the pictures of it in art do you notice? There's no door knob on God with us side of the door. 

We have to let him in. By letting go of what we think frames the question is there a God and that frame that says yes, and it looks like this....

Look in the mirror. Made in the image and likeness of God. Love God. Love You. Live for the higher awareness that is in the light. Cast off the comfort that is found living in the limits of the dark. 

God is light. 

Isn't it wunnerful? :) :wub:

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