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Oneness claims that John 14:10 states that Jesus is God the Father


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On 3/30/2017 at 9:35 AM, Limey_Bob said:

As a former Oneness Pentecostal, allow me to warn people against this error, which is sweeping through and taking over nominally Trinitarian Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches around the world.

Okay,  thanks.   From the title that wasn't clear. 

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12 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Yes, three different persons but one God.

The holy spirit isn't a person. As it is called , it is a spirit. God is a spirit. Jesus was the spirit in flesh. 

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Technically,  YHWH IS SPIRIT.  (not "a" spirit)

And as it is written,  YHWH is holy.

So are HIS children.

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21 minutes ago, Danger Noodle said:

The holy spirit isn't a person. As it is called , it is a spirit. God is a spirit. Jesus was the spirit in flesh. 

Holy Spirit person

Question: "Is the Holy Spirit a person?"

Answer:
Many people find the doctrine of the Holy Spirit confusing. Is the Holy Spirit a force, a person, or something else? What does the Bible teach?

The Bible provides many ways to help us understand that the Holy Spirit is truly a person—that is, He is a personal being, rather than an impersonal thing. First, every pronoun used in reference to the Spirit is “he” not “it.” The original Greek language of the New Testament is explicit in confirming the person of the Holy Spirit. The word for “Spirit” (pneuma) is neuter and would naturally take neuter pronouns to have grammatical agreement. Yet, in many cases, masculine pronouns are found (e.g., John 15:26; 16:13-14). Grammatically, there is no other way to understand the pronouns of the New Testament related to the Holy Spirit—He is referred to as a “He,” as a person.

Matthew 28:19 teaches us to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is a collective reference to one Triune God. Also, we are not to grieve the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:30). The Spirit can be sinned against (Isaiah 63:10) and lied to (Acts 5:3). We are to obey Him (Acts 10:19–21) and honor Him (Psalm 51:11).

The personhood of the Holy Spirit is also affirmed by His many works. He was personally involved in creation (Genesis 1:2), empowers God’s people (Zechariah 4:6), guides (Romans 8:14), comforts (John 14:26), convicts (John 16:8), teaches (John 16:13), restrains sin (Isaiah 59:19), and gives commands (Acts 8:29). Each of these works requires the involvement of a person rather than a mere force, thing, or idea.

The Holy Spirit’s attributes also point to His personality. The Holy Spirit has life (Romans 8:2), has a will (1 Corinthians 12:11), is omniscient (1 Corinthians 2:10–11), is eternal (Hebrews 9:14), and is omnipresent (Psalm 139:7). A mere force could not possess all of these attributes, but the Holy Spirit does.

And the personhood of the Holy Spirit is affirmed by His role as the third Person of the Godhead. Only a being who is equal to God (Matthew 28:19) and possesses the attributes of omniscience, omnipresence, and eternality could be defined as God.

In Acts 5:3–4, Peter referred to the Holy Spirit as God, stating, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.” Paul likewise referred to the Holy Spirit as God in 2 Corinthians 3:17–18, stating, “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.”

The Holy Spirit is a person, as Scripture makes clear. As such, He is to be revered as God and serves in perfect unity with Father and Son to lead us in our spiritual lives.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Holy-Spirit-person.html

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1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

Many people find the doctrine of the Holy Spirit confusing.

As Y'SHUA warned HIS disciples already 2000 years ago,  there were and are many false teachers and many false prophets - NOT many true teachers, and NOT many true prophets.

So ,  that is why many people find doctrines confusing.  They often contradict the TRUTH. 

YHWH grants understanding  of HIS WORD to those HE calls and chooses and sets apart (HIS children, HIS disciples).

YHWH is the ONLY ONE WHO is able to take away the veil.(as written in SCRIPTURE),  So the veil remains for many.

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1 hour ago, missmuffet said:
Holy Spirit person

Question: "Is the Holy Spirit a person?"

Answer:
Many people find the doctrine of the Holy Spirit confusing. Is the Holy Spirit a force, a person, or something else? What does the Bible teach?

The Holy Spirit is the power of God the Spirit.  Odd though that a spirit would be described by some as a personage. When the word in Hebrew is Spirit of holiness.

And Jesus was begat upon Mary by God's Spirit of holiness, not a person. 

Strong's Concordance  7307. ruach

ruach: breath, wind, spirit

Original Word: ר֫וּחַ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: ruach
Phonetic Spelling: (roo'-akh)
Short Definition: spirit

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15 hours ago, Danger Noodle said:

The Holy Spirit is the power of God the Spirit.  Odd though that a spirit would be described by some as a personage. When the word in Hebrew is Spirit of holiness.

And Jesus was begat upon Mary by God's Spirit of holiness, not a person. 

Strong's Concordance  7307. ruach

ruach: breath, wind, spirit

Original Word: ר֫וּחַ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: ruach
Phonetic Spelling: (roo'-akh)
Short Definition: spirit

At John 16:13~:14, eight times the Apostle John breaks the rules of Greek Grammar by using a masculine pronoun (he) with the neuter word Spirit (pnuma): 

"13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

 

Would you therefore agree with me that the Holy Spirit is a (he) and not an (it)?

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2 hours ago, Limey_Bob said:

At John 16:13~:14, eight times the Apostle John breaks the rules of Greek Grammar by using a masculine pronoun (he) with the neuter word Spirit (pnuma): 

"13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

 

Would you therefore agree with me that the Holy Spirit is a (he) and not an (it)?

 

Do you believe that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God?

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So does the Holy Ghost have a mind of its own ? like Jesus and God

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5 minutes ago, Bible_Gazer said:

So does the Holy Ghost have a mind of its own ? like Jesus and God

 

The Holy Spirit is God and will convict people of their sin and that they need Jesus to be their Savior..

John 16:8 

8 And when He comes, He will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:

Spirit is God and will convict people of their sin and that they need Jesus to be their Savior..

 

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