Old Earth or Young Earth

[Enoch2021]

15 hours ago, Kevinb said:

Start counting to get to a young earth...this is the circular reasoning fallacy.

No, it's Not.  I'm a Christian and have already validated Scripture as The Word of God.

 

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Ie the bible is true on age because it says in the bible.

Well yea, HE made it; Who better to consult.

 

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Also even this seems to be up for grabs on all different ages.

Hmm, Where and How so...?

 

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I get you think you've refuted old earth but that's not the view of peer reviewed scientists.

1.  As explained and illustrated (ad nauseam), "AGE"/"The Dating Game" is NOT 'SCIENCE'.

2.  "Peer Review" is the Antithesis of "Science".

Can you post the "Peer-Review" Step in the Scientific Method for us ...?

VOTES and Consensus... That's "Political" science. Empirical Science is BASED on HYPOTHESIS TESTING !!! Peer Review is the ANTITHESIS of "Real" SCIENCE !!

The Scientific Method was created to RID the landscape of BIAS: Loudest Voices, Ruling Class, Majority (Votes/Consensus), 'Opinions' ect ---- (The Subjective) by instituting A Method SOLELY focused on the (The Objective) EMPIRICAL:  Observable, TESTABLE, Repeatable, Falsifiable; The PROCESS of The Scientific Method.  

"Editors of scientific journals and program officers at the funding agencies have the most to gain from peer review, and they steadfastly refuse to believe that anything might be wrong with the system. Their jobs are made easier because they have never had to take responsibility for decisions. They are also never called to account for their choice of referees, who in any case always have the proper credentials. Since the referees perform a professional service, almost always without pay, the primary responsibility of the editor or program officer is to protect the referee. Thus referees are never called to account for what they write in their reviews. As a result, referees are able, with relative impunity, to delay or deny funding or publication to their rivals. When misconduct of this kind occurs, it is the referee who is guilty, but it is the editors and program officers who are responsible for propagating a corrupt system that makes misconduct almost inevitable.

This is the kind of MISCONDUCT that is, I fear, RAMPANT IN ALL FIELDS OF SCIENCE, not only biomedical science. Recently, as part of a talk to a large audience of mostly young researchers at an extremely prestigious university, I outlined this analysis of the CRISIS OF PEER REVIEW. The moderator, a famous senior scientist, was incredulous. He asked the audience how many disagreed with my heresy. No one responded. Then he asked how many agreed. Every hand in the house went up."
Goodstein, D; Conduct and Misconduct in Science: Caltech, 2002.

http://www.its.caltech.edu/~dg/conduct_art.html

 

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As you're not qualified in the vast array of diciplines...

Really, how do you know that?

  

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I'll go with those that are qualified until they are credibly forced to change based on evidence

1.  This is "Religion"--Blind Faith; You're rolling with what Pseudo-Science Priests 'Tell' you without scrutiny or due diligence.

2. They don't have any "EVIDENCE" to establish a 'coherent' position to begin with.

 

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and indeed that person would inevitably win a nobel prize.

1.  Again, 'Procedural' Argument not one of Substance.

2.  Show the Nobel Prize issued for establishing the Age of the Universe/Earth...?

 

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It seems a big ask already discussed it's based on many many different things not just radiometric

They're ALL Pseudo-Science.

 

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To me it boils down to taking into account all this..what's most likely.

You don't have any "ALL", it's mirage wrapped in a enigmatic Pseudo-Science Veil.

 

regards 

[Enoch2021]

16 hours ago, OneLight said:

Where scripture is silent, so is the Holy Spirit.  Any attempt to "fill in the gaps", no matter how it is worded, is not of God, but man. 

Well, allow me get Specific:

If you 'believe' that there were Millions of Years with Death/Disease/Suffering/Thorns et al *BEFORE* The Fall (Genesis 3) you have some "SERIOUS" (as in *"Fatal"*) Doctrinal and Logical Consistency Problems...

(Genesis 1:31) "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was *very good*. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."

(1 Corinthians 15:26) "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."

You must show "DEATH" in Genesis Chapter 1-2 or... show how DEATH is *"Very Good"*.

 

(Genesis 3:17) "And unto Adam he said, BECAUSE thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: CURSED is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;"

As in, *Because* you have done this... *"NOW"* the ground (EARTH --- not just Man) is *CURSED*; not before 'The Fall'.

 

(Genesis 3:18) "Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;"

*"NOW"* Thorns and Thistles (There are Thorn and Thistle Fossils); NOT before 'The Fall'.

 

(Genesis 3:19) "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

*"NOW"* Adam and Eve's fate will be DEATH, Adam and Eve were Immortal before the Fall (Tree of Life)...

 

(Genesis 3:22) "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and LIVE FOR EVER:"

(Genesis 3:23-24) "Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. {24} So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the TREE OF LIFE."

*"NOW"* the Tree of Life is guarded; NOT before 'The Fall'.

 

2. If you 'believe' that there were Millions of Years with Death/Disease/Suffering/Thorns et al *BEFORE* The Fall (Genesis 3) you have some *"SERIOUS"* (as in *"Fatal"*) Doctrinal and Logical Consistency Problems...

Then why the need for a... *"KINSMEN REDEEMER"*, The Goel... (Jesus Christ)

(Romans 5:12) "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

(1 Corinthians 15:45) "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the LAST ADAM was made a quickening spirit."

The Last Adam: Jesus Christ. The Whole of *The DOCTRINE OF SALVATION is "DIS-ANNULLED!"*

We make HIM a Liar and then have HIM Sacrificing Himself for HIS Kinsmen... "Trilobites !!" 

And Yes...it's Really THAT BAD!

GOEL:
He must be near of kin. (Leviticus 25:48; 25:25 Ruth 3:12-13)
He must be able to redeem (Ruth 4:4-“6). He must be free of any calamity or need of redemption himself.
He must be willing to redeem (Ruth 4:6ff)
Redemption was completed when the price was completely paid (Leviticus 25:27; Ruth 4:7-11)

 

Please Reconcile...?

 

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Let's look at 2 Timothy 3:16-17 as what was posted by Enoch is only a partial thought.

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Where in these verses do the Spirit suggest we use scripture to speak where God did not? 

 

Straw Man Fallacy.

I posted 2 Timothy 3:16-17 specifically and to only rebut your claim:

OneLight: "All we should be focused on is the harvest for the harvest is plenty, but the workers are few."

ONLY this claim.  

ps. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 is NOT a 'partial thought' it's a Full/Complete thought.

 

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How can anyone be complete when relying on assumptions?

What 'assumptions' am I relying on...?

 

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Through mans curiosity, his desire to have all the answers, man has wasted a lot of time on issues that, to God, is not important.

Please post... in Scripture, where God says that The Age of The Earth/Universe is not Important...?

And if not, aren't you 'assuming' the thoughts and mind of God? 

 

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We have His word to help those who need help, not to prove something He never informed us about. 

HE did 'inform' us, see above.

 

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His desire is to focus on repairing our relationship with Him and to help others do so through Christ.

Most assuredly, this isn't in dispute.

What does this have to do with our discussion?  

 

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Matthew 28:18-20

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.  Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

 

 

Most assuredly, this isn't in dispute.

What does this have to do with our discussion? 

 

I don't want to get off topic, but you brought it up...

Who is Jesus specifically talking to here...?

What if I accomplish Matthew 28:18-20 BUT... not take care of my family??

 

regards

[Kevinb]

On the age...of course it's circular..using how you read scripture to attempt to prove your interpreting of what scripture says on age is the prefect definition..where is your external coberation? Also yes people have also said here in chat the bible says nothing on age...some assert so called gap theory or whatever else to say old earth. 

To state pseudo you have not demonstrated this..get your evidence published as to why..get your evidence as to why reviewed..if found correct views will have to change. The view based upon evidence is old.  Unfortunately there is no evidence for a young earth other than some and not all interpretations of the bible as we've seen. 

To call a belief in the actual evidence blind faith religion is bizarre..especially when the 6k ish alternative is being offered and how that's come about. 

Edited June 14, 2017 by Kevinb

[Enoch2021]

15 hours ago, Kevinb said:

On the age...of course it's circular..using how you read scripture to attempt to prove your interpreting of what scripture says on age is the prefect definition..where is your external coberation?

1.  It's not.  I'm consulting the only one who ACTUALLY knows how old the earth/universe is..."THE CREATOR" of it. 

2.  External Corroboration for Age?  For like the 10th Time, there is "No Scientific Method" to ascertain then VALIDATE the Age of Earth/Universe, it's Non-Sequitur Fallacy. To pretend there is, well...is delusional and quite telling:

Ya see, if people with authority in unison say that the Age has been Validated (When it's a Tear Jerkin Belly Laugher) and hold onto it with a Kung Fu Death Grip and proselytize from the Rooftops that it's TRUTH...then, we have a situation that I term "Fade The News"...cause, the Opposite is True.  Follow?

3.  To use Man's Word (External Corroboration) then use those biases to influence how you interpret scripture is called "Eisegesis"...it's strictly VERBOTEN in Christendom.  

 

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Also yes people have also said here in chat the bible says nothing on age...some assert so called gap theory or whatever else to say old earth.

1.  You (and they) just contradicted yourself.  

If the Bible says nothing on the Age of the Earth then... how can they say "Old Earth", Pray Tell?

2.  I've already posted the rationale (Logical and Doctrinal Consistencies) to establish a Young Earth.

3.  Some people might have "SAID" but I need them to "SHOW".  The 'Gap theory' or the 'Day Age theory' has been exposed as clumsy Eisegesis here on Worthy more times than I can count.

 

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To state pseudo you have not demonstrated this...

Yes, I surely have.

 

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get your evidence published as to why..get your evidence as to why reviewed..if found correct views will have to change.

I published it here.

There is no need for "Peer Review"...it's not a "Subjective" Inquiry.  If I wanna figure out 'Who's favorite color is the best', then I'll publish mine and let others 'VOTE' on it.

 

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The view based upon evidence is old.

What's the evidence...?

 

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Unfortunately there is no evidence for a young earth other than some and not all interpretations of the bible as we've seen.

Well as I: said, explained, and illustrated (ad nauseam), "AGE" cannot enter into The Scientific Method...it's Non-Sequitur to it.

However, here's a list of 'evidences'... some are quite compelling: 101 Evidences for a Young Earth and Universe

 

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To call a belief in the actual evidence blind faith religion is bizarre

There is No "Scientific Evidence" either way; Ergo, the 'Beliefs' solely based on it (when there is no "IT")... are TEXTBOOK "Blind Faith Religion", delusional, and quite bizarre.

 

regards

[Guest shiloh357]

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What About The Flood?

Another frequent objection to an old earth lies with the apparently global scope of the Flood. But this argument, too, hardly seems watertight. For one thing, it fails to take into account that the ancients often spoke of localized or regional events in hyperbolic terms. One does not need to look too far for examples. Consider the following from the Old and New Testaments:

1. Genesis 41:57 – “And all the countries came to Egypt to buy grain from Joseph, because the famine was severe in all the world.”
2. 1 Kings 10:24 – “The whole world sought audience with Solomon to hear the wisdom God had put in his heart.”
3. Luke 2:1 – “In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire world.”
4. John 12:19 – “So the pharisees said to one another, ‘See, this is getting us nowhere. Look how the whole world has gone after him!”
5. Acts 2:5 – “Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.”
6. Romans 1:8 – “First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world.”
7. Colossians 1:6 – “All over the world this gospel is beairng fruit and growing, just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and understood God’s grace in all its truth.”

The ancient Hebrews did not think of “the world” as being a spherical globe, as one would today. Rather, to say that God had “flooded the world” would be simply to say that God had “flooded the known world” or “the land”. Indeed, 2 Peter 3:6 reports that, “By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. [emphasis added]”.

One feature of the Flood narrative, which is often overlooked, is the statement that“on the seventeenth day of the seventh month, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat, [emphasis added]“. This stand in marked contrast with respect to the often quoted “the ark came to rest on Mount Ararat.”According to Armenian scholars, “the mountains of Ararat” cover an area of about 100,000 square miles of eastern Turkey, northern Iraq, western Iraq, and southern Russia.Since the focal point of the flood is Mesopotamia, it seems probable that the ark came to rest in the foothills of Ararat, which is just north of Ninivah. Moreover, it must be borne in mind, the Hebrew word for mountains, har, is a general term referring to any geologic relief, from a small hill up to a towering peak, which makes sense of Genesis 7:19, which reports that “They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.”

The author fails to take into account that the Bible cannot necessarily be seen as equivalent to how "the ancients"  think.   The Bible is the product of Divine inspiration, and not the result of how the ancients thought.   There is a lot about the Bible that actually contradicts the conventional ancient thought that was prevalent when it was being penned.

Every reference to the flood in Scripture consistently portrays it as a global flood.  First, we have God's own description of what the flood would look like:  "And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die." (Gen. 6:19)    "And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth." (Gen. 9:11)  "And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh."(Gen. 9:15)  

Outside of Genesis, we have these verses, as well: "For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."(Mat 24:38-39)  "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." I Pet. 3:20 "And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;" (II Pet.  2:5)

None of those wordings indicate that it was local, at all.

The rainbow proves it was global.   God said that the rainbow would be a memoral of His promise not to destroy the earth again by flood (Gen. 9:11).   If the flood was local, then all of the local floods around the world over the last several millennia would be a violation of God's promise.

Both Peter and Jesus use the flood of Noah as picture of the coming worldwide judgment.  (Matt. 24:38-39; I Pet. 3:20; II Pet. 2:5).

A local flood makes no sense.   If God wanted to spare Noah and his family from a local flood, why build an ark?   Just instruct Noah and his family to leave the localized area that was to be flooded.

If the flood were local, there would be no reason to save the animals  from the flood, as they would simply have left the effected area.

The Bible describes the flood water reaching above the mountain peaks. Note the following:

And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. (Gen 7:19-23)

If it was a local flood, it would have been a egg-shaped flood in order to cover the mountains in one localized area and that is just not reasonable.   But, even the wording of this passage indicates that all flesh on the face of the earth was destroyed, leaving only the occupants of the ark, alive.

[SavedOnebyGrace]

Noah's flood is explained in detail in the link I already provided.  I would give you a more personal answer but I'm having severe tremors in my hands.  I hate typing on a smart phone.

[Guest shiloh357]

22 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Noah's flood is explained in detail in the link I already provided.  I would give you a more personal answer but I'm having severe tremors in my hands.  I hate typing on a smart phone.

Yes, that is correct. But as you can see in my post, I was referencing the link provided.

I pray your tremors cease. 

[SavedOnebyGrace]

On 6/16/2017 at 1:06 PM, shiloh357 said:

Yes, that is correct. But as you can see in my post, I was referencing the link provided.

I pray your tremors cease. 

On another website, I had a thread dedicated to Noah's Flood: local or global?  I'd be willing to discuss my position with you there in detail.  Here, I'd like to confine our discussion to Old Earth versus Young Earth.  I'll go ahead and start one there since my position is a minority opinion that will be addressed in my OP.  Give me a day or two to get it started.

Thank you for your prayers.  My tremors are most noticeable in my hands, and are not noticeable all the time.  My primary care physician's opinion is we are already living beyond our normal life expectancy.  He's not much help.  My shoulder doctor noticed it right away and said the disc problems in my neck are affecting my left shoulder, neck and left arm and has destroyed a substantial amount of muscle mass in my left shoulder and arm.

[KiwiChristian]

YOUNG EARTH EVIDENCE
Astronomical Records. Because of the rarity of solar eclipses at any given location, and because astronomers can date every solar eclipse going back thousands of years, when an ancient tablet or manuscript mentions a solar eclipse, we can accurately date that record, and other events associated with it in other countries. Before 2250 BC, we have no records of any solar eclipse being seen by man. “The earliest Chinese date which can be assigned with any probability is 2250 BC, based on an astronomical reference in the Book of History”. (Ralph Linten, The Tree of Culture (1955), p 520). 

Writing. The oldest writing is a Sumerian pictograph written on clay tablets dated about 3500 BC. 

Iron Pot in Coal. Professor W. Rusch has reported an iron pot encased in coal dated by evolutionary standards at 300 million years old. (Creation Research Quarterly (March, 1971) p.201). The pictured affidavit reads as follows: Sulphur Springs, Arkansas, November 27, 1948. While I was working in the Municipal Electric Plant in Thomas, Okla. in 1912, I came upon a solid chunk of coal which was too large to use. I broke it with a sledge hammer. This iron pot fell from the center, leaving the impression or mold of the pot in the piece of coal. Jim Stall (an employee of the company) witnessed the breaking of the coal, and saw the pot fall out. I traced the source of the coal, and found that it came from the Wilburton, Oklahoma Mines.  Frank J. Kenwood Sworn to before me, in Sulphur Springs, Arkansas this 27th day of November, 1948.  Julia L (?)

Metal Bowl. An intricately carved metal bowl was blasted out of solid pudding stone. (Scientific American, June 5, 1852). 

The Nampa Image is a baked clay figure obtained from a well being bored in 1889 at Nampa, Idaho. It was pumped from rocks 300 feet deep under a “Tertiary” lava sheet (12 million years old.) The problem for evolutionists is how can a man made clay figure 12 million years old (supposedly) have been laid down before man evolved 3 million years ago (supposedly)?  Source: American Geologist, F.Wright, 23 (1899), p.267. 

Pollen in Pre-Cambrian Strata. Pollen from Angiosperm and Gymnosperm trees (woody plants supposedly 260 million years old have been found in Pre Cambrian Hakati shale in the Grand Canyon (supposedly 570 million years old). The problem here for evolutionists is conifer pollen existing 300 million years before it appeared on earth. Some spores are stained with red oxide from surrounding rocks, thus proving that the spores are not from present day contamination.  Source: Nature, R. Stainforth, 210 (1966) p.292.

Turkmenia. Notice this report in the Sydney Morning Herald, 21 Nov. 1983, “A report from the Soviet news agency, Tass, says that about 1500 tracks made by dinosaurs have been found in Turkmenia – but among those prints are those resembling the footprints of a man. According to Professor Amanniyazov, director of Turkmenia’s Institute of Geology: “If further analysis proves that the prints have been left by anthropoids, the history of mankind will be extended to 150 million, not 5 millionyears.”” Why did Professor Amanniyazov assume dinosaur extinction 150 million years ago as absolutely certainty? Why did he not consider the alternative position of dinosaurs living with man recently? The fact that dinosaur and human footprints have been found in the same rock strata proves that man and dinosaurs lived at the same time.
This is a great problem to evolutionists who believe that dinosaurs became extinct 70 million years ago. Evolutionists claim that dinosaurs died out 67 million years before man appeared. These footprints prove that:
a) Man and dinosaur lived at the same time, and b) The evolutionary geological column is completely wrong in its dating of rocks.
 The evidence for these tracks being genuine are:
 i) The tracks of man and dinosaur are widely distributed from Turkestan to Texas.
 ii) The tracks are mostly exposed by bulldozers or erosion.
 iii) Two Palaeontologists have pronounced them genuine:
 - Dr. Camp of the University of California, and
 - Dr. G. Westcott of Ypsilanti, Michigan.
 iv) The associated dinosaur tracks are accepted as valid.
 v) Some prints have ridges of mud pushed up around them.
vi) Upon sawing through the footprints, the rock particles underneath are more compressed than particles surrounding the prints. Source: “Scientific American”, A.G. Ingalls: “The Carboniferous Mystery” 162 (1940), page 14. See R.L. Wysong “The Creation-Evolution Controversy”, p.373

Polystrate Trees. Crossing several rock strata are trees preserved as well at their tops as at their bottoms. These fossil trees bridge an evolutionary imagined time span of millions of years, that would preclude their “in place” growth and fossilisation. 

Galaxy star clusters (spirals with billions of stars) move so rapidly that they would not stay together if the universe were very old. 

Large Stars. Some stars are so large that they radiate energy 10,000 to 1 million times more rapidly than our sun. They could not have contained enough hydrogen to radiate this fast for millions of years, because their initial mass would have been too big. These O and B class stars, and P Cygni stars could not continue atomic fusion longer than 50,000 to 300,000 years. 

Abundant Hydrogen in stars. Hydrogen in stars is continually being converted into Helium. Hydrogen cannot be made from other elements. Fred Hoyle states that, if the universe were as old as Big Bang theorists think, then there would be little hydrogen left, as it would be converted to Helium by now. Spectra from stars reveal abundant hydrogen in stars.This implies a young universe. 

Solar shrinking. Since 1836, over 100 different observers at the Greenwich Observatory and US Naval Observatory have measured the sun’s diameter to shrink at 0.1% per century or 5 feet per hour. At this rate, 50,000 years ago the sun would have been so large as to boil earth’s oceans, making life on earth impossible. 100,000 years ago our sun would have been twice as large. 

Comets elliptically orbit the sun and are thought to be as old as the sun. As comets orbit the sun, they lose some of their water and gases from the sun’s heat, gravity and tail formation. The tail consists of material driven away from its head by solar energy. Some comets regularly seen in the 19th Century have broken up and vanished, or plunged into the sun. All comets should self-destruct in a short ime, less than 10,000 years. There should be no comets left. Evolution cannot explain comets in an old solar system. Comets are young objects created in a young solar system.

Meteoroids bombarding Saturn’s rings would have destroyed them in less than 10,000 years. (W T Brown, In the Beginning, p 18). 

Jupiter’s Moons. If they evolved, they should be physically alike, having the same amount of volcanoes and impact craters, but this is not so. Evolution claims that all planets were molten 5 billion years ago and volcanic activity stopped 4 billion years  ago as they cooled. The moons Ganymede and Callisto have no volcanoes and many impact craters. Europa has no volcanoes and no impact craters. Io has 7 active volcanoes and no impact craters. Titan has volcanoes.

Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune (4) have rings, which could not survive 4 billion years. Jupiter’s intense magnetic field radiation would sweep out its rings. (Bradford Smith, a Voyager Scientist). 

Venus’ high temperature and little erosion, imply a young age for Venus. If Venus was 4 billion years old, its dense atmosphere should have worn away its craters.

Mars has little erosion and some water. Mars has many sharp edged craters and volcanoes, as well as month-long dust storms. Several thousand years of this weather would have seriously eroded these edges and its strong colour differences. Powerful solar UV radiation would have long ago broken down the small amount of water, releasing the oxygen into the atmosphere and hydrogen into space. Evolution predicts no surface water and much atmospheric oxygen, but measurements show the opposite being some surface water and very little atmospheric oxygen. 

Lunar Recession. Due to tidal friction, the moon is moving away from earth at about 4 cm per year (1 ½ inches). At this rate, 5 billion years ago the moon would have been 200,000km. closer. 

Meteorite Craters only occur on the earth’s surface, never being found in the rock strata. If earth were 5 billion years old, we would find many meteorite craters in the sedimentary rock strata, but we don’t. Thus all meteorites which have struck the earth, have hit it in the last 5000 years. 

Oil Well Pressure. When oil drillers first penetrate oil wells, oil gushes out because the oil and gas are under great pressure from surrounding rocks. Sedimentary rocks surrounding the oil wells are porous. Studies of these show that the oil would seep out before 100,000 years, but this has not happened. This great oil pressure argues strongly against millions of years age for oil wells, and implies an age for oil of around 10,000 years. Oil, coal and gas were formed during the Great Flood 4,400 years ago (in 2418BC). 

Earth’s Molten Interior. Deep within the earth, the rocks are molten. The earth is slowly cooling from the surface inwards according to Stefan’s Law of Radiation. Lord Kelvin in 1889 calculated that the earth could not be billions of years old because of earth’s known rate of cooling, the existing temperature gradient in the earth, and the assumption that the earth could not have been hotter than “white hot” initially.“Popular Lectures and Addresses”(London: MacMillan, 1889, p.415).  If earth were billions of years old, it would have cooled far more than it now has, even if we assume a radioactively generated heating mechanism. (W T Brown, In the Beginning, p 17). 

 Radiohaloes are colour rings around microscopic radioactive minerals in rock crystals. “Squashed” Polonium-210 radiohaloes indicate that Jurassic, Triassic and Eocene formations in the Colorado Plateau were deposited within months of one another, not from 225-255 million years apart, as evolution claims. “Orphan” Polonium-218 radiohaloes, having no evidence of their mother elements,imply either instant creation, or drastic changes in radioactive decay rates

Ocean sediment. There is not enough sediment on the sea floors for earth to be 5 billion years old. Rivers add about 28 billion tons of sediment to the oceans each year.  If this had occurred for 1 billion years, the continents would have eroded away many times. There would be a layer of sediment on the ocean floor at least 60 miles thick. However, the average depth of sediment on the ocean floor is about 800 metres, and the continents have not eroded once yet. The Tasman Sea off Australia is not part of a subduction zone of ocean floor being pushed deep into the earth. Subduction zones could not dispose of 10% of incoming sediment. Hence, sea floors seem young. 

Tree Rings. The oldest living things are Bristlecone pines growing in Eastern Nevada, aged about 4,600 years old (sometimes producing 2 growth rings per year, so their age would be less), and Sequoia Gigantea in the Sierra Nevada Mountains, which are never older than about 4,000 years. These giant redwoods have no known enemies, and never have any dead trees among them. Unless man cuts them down, they never seem to die. 17 Bristlecone pines are dated about 4,000 years old. Since the Flood occurred about 2,418 BC, this implies that:
a) all the pre-Flood Sequoias and Bristlecones were wiped out by the Flood, and b) there is no record of any living tree older than the Flood.

Man’s Recorded History.If man has lived on earth for 1 million years, why do we only find human records going back to about 3500 BC? This cuneiform tablet is the oldest human writing from Sumeria. When human records first appear, they show man to be highly developed with a sophisticated civilisation. This agrees better with a creation date of 4074 BC than with evolution’s 1 million year history of man. Why did man do nothing for 1 million years? Because he has only been here for 6,000 years.