Daniel 11:36 Posted May 11, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted May 11, 2017 All 7 trumpets are significant in Chapter 8 The first 4 are listed and give the leading destruction of the coming tribulation period This destruction will be of the first satanic meddling of "great city' at the very beginning of the coming tribulation [Revelation 14:8; 17:16-18; 18] The next two trumpets will bring the beast, Abaddon/Apollon, out from the abyss to unleash his bidding for serving Satan's desires .... and with him will be a myriad of other fallen angels designated in Revelation 9:3 and 9:13-16 at the early onset of the tribulation period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted May 13, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2017 What role do you see Abaddon playing if any past the 5th trumpet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted May 14, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 14, 2017 Abaddon is the "antichrist"in the human little horn of Daniels visions [Daniel 7, 8, 11:36-45, 12:7] Also in Revelation [9:11; 13:1-4; 17:8-18; 19:19-21] This is a strange thing, but true according to scripture Satan has chosen to develop this condition in order to rule over humanity which will fail Satan will then be sent to the abyss himself for 1000 years to be released for another human corruption In this case he will be eliminated So Abaddon will be unleashed upon the earth again after 5 of his kingdoms have failed.... and he will fail again with his 6th and 7th tries during the 70th week decreed for Israel at the time of the end of this present word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrobyter Posted May 21, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,570 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,439 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/28/1957 Share Posted May 21, 2017 On 5/14/2017 at 9:20 AM, Daniel 11:36 said: Abaddon is the "antichrist"in the human little horn of Daniels visions [Daniel 7, 8, 11:36-45, 12:7] Also in Revelation [9:11; 13:1-4; 17:8-18; 19:19-21] This is a strange thing, but true according to scripture Satan has chosen to develop this condition in order to rule over humanity which will fail Satan will then be sent to the abyss himself for 1000 years to be released for another human corruption In this case he will be eliminated So Abaddon will be unleashed upon the earth again after 5 of his kingdoms have failed.... and he will fail again with his 6th and 7th tries during the 70th week decreed for Israel at the time of the end of this present word Shalom, Daniel 11:36. Sorry, but you are misunderstanding the names "Abaddown" and "Apolluoon," and with good reason: NT:3 Abaddoon (ab-ad-dohn'); of Hebrew origin [OT:11]; a destroying angel [sic]: KJV - Abaddon. OT:11 'abaddown (ab-ad-done'); intensive from OT:6; abstract, a perishing; concrete, Hades: KJV - destruction. OT:6 'aabad (aw-bad'); a primitive root; properly, to wander away, i.e. lose oneself; by implication to perish (causative, destroy): KJV - break, destroy (-uction), not escape, fail, lose, (cause to, make) perish, spend, and surely, take, be undone, utterly, be void of, have no way to flee. NT:623 Apolluoon (ap-ol-loo'-ohn); active participle of NT:622; a destroyer (i.e. Satan) [sic]: KJV - Apollyon. NT:622 apollumi (ap-ol'-loo-mee); from NT:575 and the base of NT:3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively: KJV - destroy, die, lose, mar, perish. NT:575 apo (apo'); a primary particle; "off," i.e. away (from something near), in various senses (of place, time, or relation; literal or figurative): KJV - (X here-) after, ago, at, because of, before, by (the space of), for (-th), from, in, (out) of, off, (up-) on (-ce), since, with. In composition (as a prefix) it usually denotes separation, departure, cessation, completion, reversal, etc. NT:3639 olethros (ol'-eth-ros); from a primary ollumi (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruin, i.e. death, punishment: KJV - destruction. (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.) The thing is, you don't understand from these entries in Strong's that the definition for both words should be "destruction," not "destroyer!" It can be readily seen in the OT:11 'abaddown entry but it's more covert in the NT:623 Apolluoon entry. Neither name is causal but both are the RECIPIENTS of the "destruction!" Revelation 9:1-12 "Then the fifth messenger blasted (on his shofar) and I saw a heavenly body fall out of the sky down to the earth (meteorite): and to it was given the exact coordinates of the pit of the abyss. "And it cracked open the pit of the abyss: There arose a cloud of smoke out of the pit as though it came from a huge furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened from the smoke of the pit. "Then out of the smoke came locusts that landed on the earth: to them was given poison like the poison that the scorpions of the ground have. They were commanded that they should not hurt the grass on the ground nor any foliage nor any tree; they should hurt only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. The command given to them was that they should not kill men, but that they inflict pain on them for five months: The pain they inflicted was like the poison of a scorpion when one of them strikes a person. During that time, these people shall consciously and purposely look for death but shall not find it; they shall wish to die, but death will elude them. "The appearance of the locusts was such that they were armored for battle like horses prepared for war are all formidably dressed: on their heads were victor's-wreath-shaped antennae as though they were victors' wreaths of gold; their faces were like the faces of people; they had hairs on their body long like the hair of women, and their mandibles were like lions' teeth. They had thoraces as though they were made of iron, and the noise of their wings was like the noise from many horses and chariots running to the battlefield. (I.e., the loud, low-pitched buzz of a giant insect.) They had tails like those of scorpions with stings in their tails: their specialty was to torture people for five months. However, they had a king ruling them who is the messenger from the pit of the abyss whose name in the Hebrew language is Abaddown and in Greek is Apolluon (both meaning 'Destruction,' not ‘Destroyer’). "One cry of grief is over, but, look out! There are two more coming!" The above verses tend to indicate that these locusts are perhaps a residual, antediluvian species trapped in a state of suspended animation within an underground, unplumbed chamber (abussos) which will be opened by the impact of a certain meteorite upon the key pressure point of the earth's crust. While abussos means “[a pit with] no-bottom,” this could be either a pit with an unsounded bottom such as a deep fissure, or a pit deep enough that it’s “bottom” truly is past the core of the earth. Once a hole includes the center of gravity of the planet, all directions from there would be UP! I tend, though, to believe the former. This species is primarily a form of locust, indicating that this species is a winged insect of the Orthoptera Order, Acrididae Family, possessing rear legs for leaping. That its sound is a low-pitched droning is indicative that this species is larger than present-day specimens, probably as “prehistoric,” or rather “antediluvian,” dragonflies and damselflies are larger than their living counterparts. They were not “prehistoric” or living “before recorded history”; they were “antediluvian”, living “prior to the Great Flood” of Noah’s time. As many antediluvian creatures changed their diets after the flood becoming carnivorous, these creatures, too, will not be able to survive on the weakened vegetation of our planet. (Prior to the Great Flood, all animals were herbivorous.) Their diet will tend toward being carnivorous. As a starving, desperate species, they will attack human beings to acquire nourishment only to be frustrated. Finally, after five long months, the species will die from lack of nourishment: Since this species has a king, much as ants and bees have a queen, when the king dies, the others will die soon afterward. The name of their king, "Destruction," suggests both the results and the fate of this species, and has no correlation to haSatan. A puzzling aspect of these verses is when people desire death only to have it elude them. The question used to come to my mind, "How is this accomplished? Does God actually suspend death for five months?" That would certainly be possible and within the ability of God, but then I was reminded that these creatures have the poison like the poison of scorpions. It occurred to me on January 3, 1993, to look up how the poison of scorpions affects someone. In the book Insects of the World, on page 11, J.E. Remington said, "However, there are a few species, especially in northern Mexico and northern Africa, that inject nerve poisons." (Emphasis mine.) The answer would then appear to be that of nerve dysfunction – people are literally immobilized! They are paralyzed by the venom and are thus unable to affect their own deaths or to ask others to kill them for mercy's sake. The toxin, however, is not life threatening... just extremely painful! All of one's nerve endings would feel like they were on fire! People will wish they were dead, but will be unable to do anything about it! Apparently, the toxin will wear off in time, but not before it’s taken its toll on the victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted May 22, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) "The thing is, you don't understand from these entries in Strong's that the definition for both words should be "destruction," not "destroyer!" It can be readily seen in the OT:11 'abaddown entry but it's more covert in the NT:623 Apolluoon entry. Neither name is causal but both are the RECIPIENTS of the "destruction!" Sorry, but I do understand Abaddon/Apollyon is the antichrist offered by Satan [Revelation 13:1-4] .... this one has ruled before and he will attempt to rule again when he is released from the abyss His background and future involvement is given in Revelation 17:8-18 This fallen angel will be released at the onset of the coming 70th week decreed for Israel .... his goal will be to destroy all mankind in one way or another .... but he will fail [Revelation 19:17-21] Edited May 22, 2017 by Daniel 11:36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted June 10, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.09 Reputation: 688 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 10, 2017 On 5/11/2017 at 2:32 PM, Daniel 11:36 said: All 7 trumpets are significant in Chapter 8 The first 4 are listed and give the leading destruction of the coming tribulation period This destruction will be of the first satanic meddling of "great city' at the very beginning of the coming tribulation [Revelation 14:8; 17:16-18; 18] The next two trumpets will bring the beast, Abaddon/Apollon, out from the abyss to unleash his bidding for serving Satan's desires .... and with him will be a myriad of other fallen angels designated in Revelation 9:3 and 9:13-16 at the early onset of the tribulation period Do you think these trumpet judgments are coming from God or from Satan? I say from God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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