n2thelight Posted May 26, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) On 5/14/2017 at 5:03 PM, missmuffet said: The 144,000 are the Jews that are sealed during the tribulation which means they have a special protection from God. They are the first fruits and are the 12 tribes or Israel.They are the only ones who will have a protective seal on them. Those who are not born again Christians will not go in the rapture of the Church. They will stay on earth. They will have an opportunity to come to Christ. Yes, it will include Pastors. The rapture will be instant. In the twinkling of the eye the Bible tells us. That is 1/6 billionth of a second. I believe that is the speed of light. It will be chaos for those left behind and all of the tragedies of the judgments that will come upon the earth. Also the persecution of the Antichrist. Some will come to Christ and many will not even up to the very end.There will be very few Christians who will survive the tribulation. Most will be killed and martyred as Christian. Horrible and tragic deaths. Many will be tortured and experience horrible deaths such as in the WW 2 holocaust except much, much worse. The Bible tells us that God's wrath is not for the born again believer. He will protect those who are very committed and faithful to Him.He will take them out of this earth before the seven year tribulation. And that includes all of the children up to the age of accountability. That age is debatable but could be around 12 or 13. Why do you feel the 144,000 are Jew's when only the tribe of Judah are actually Jew's Also as of now ,there's neither Jew nor Gentile Edited May 26, 2017 by n2thelight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted May 26, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2017 Matthew 10:22 "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." Is the rapture the end? How can one be raptured and yet also endure till the end? So when is the end,and how do you all escape before then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted May 26, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2017 Quote Anyone who has studied the Bible with understanding, for a period of time, knows that this has never been true. For God has always allowed His people to be tested, tried, and purified through trials and tribulations. They had to prove that they believed. They couldn’t just mouth it. And just about every example they set, prepares us for the Great Tribulation. Like the exodus from Egypt, the battles led by Joshua, David vs. Goliath, Daniel in the lions den, and on and on. All those lessons teach us to have faith and courage in troublous times. That’s the real test of faith. Hoping for a quick escape isn’t a display of faith, that’s cowardice. Pastor Ben Heath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted May 26, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2017 “For THEN shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, ‘Lo, here is Christ,’ or there:’ BELIEVE IT NOT. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, ‘Behold, He is in the desert;’ go not forth: ‘behold, He is in the SECRET chambers;’ BELIEVE IT NOT.” Matthew 24:21-26 How can anyone read the above verses and believe in a rapture,as Spock would say,it's not logical The time of the trib is cut short for the elect sake.Why does it need to be cut short if they not gonna be here? Again,not logical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted May 26, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2017 In my opinion believing in the rapture is like the Israelites who did'nt make it to the promised land because they were scared to go take it. I think rapturist are scared to take a stand against satan, whom is the anti- christ Why do we need the armour if we not gonna be here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted May 26, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) Matthew 24 is all about Israel in the coming 70th week decreed for them .... no one else .... and so is Luke 21 The Lord is speaking of Israel during the coming 70th week decreed in both So why do many posters on this forum think He is speaking to today's ecclesia of both Jew and Gentile in His discourse? See if you can figure this truth out Edited May 26, 2017 by Daniel 11:36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted May 26, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said: Matthew 24 is all about Israel in the coming 70th week decreed for them .... no one else .... and so is Luke 21 The Lord is speaking of Israel during the coming 70th week decreed in both So why do many posters on this forum think He is speaking to today's ecclesia of both Jew and Gentile in His discourse? See if you can figure this truth out Maybe because nowhere in those two gospels does it indicate that it is for a group that doesn't read the books in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted May 26, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2017 Makes no difference .... a believing remnant of Israel will know what is going on when the tribulation is on the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted May 26, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2017 9 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said: Matthew 24 is all about Israel in the coming 70th week decreed for them .... no one else Trib saints from all around the world.. Matt 24:31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted May 26, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2017 12 hours ago, n2thelight said: In my opinion believing in the rapture is like the Israelites who did'nt make it to the promised land because they were scared to go take it. Your belief doesn't change the fact that the word "harpazo" is in 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5. Quote I think rapturist are scared to take a stand against satan, whom is the anti- christ Christians have been standing against satan for 2,000 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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