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12 hours ago, n2thelight said:

“For THEN shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

The elect in Matt 24 are tribulation saints. Similar to Rev 12:17.

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13 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Matthew 10:22 "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."

Is the rapture the end?

How can one be raptured and yet also endure till the end?

So when is the end,and how do you all escape before then?

Again, trib saints. :rolleyes:

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On 5/17/2017 at 1:17 PM, wingnut- said:

The above passage tells us who the firstfruits are, those who have fallen asleep, or in other words, those who are already dead and in heaven.

You mean dead in their graves? Nobody is in heaven or hell right now existing as wind. The word "spirit" in Hebrew and Greek is translated wind.

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26 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Trib saints from all around the world..

Matt 24:31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

That's right, the second last trump and voice of the arch angel in the second rapture. Forget where that second last trump scripture is.

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5 minutes ago, Zemke said:

That's right, the second last trump and voice of the arch angel in the second rapture. Forget where that second last trump scripture is.

Well, we should get the terms right.

Last trump - 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Cor 15:50-54, Rev 12:5
Great Trump - Matt 24:29-31

Matt 24:31 is not a rapture, rather it's a gathering. If it was a rapture, the word harpazo would be there.

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7 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Well, we should get the terms right.

Last trump - 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Cor 15:50-54, Rev 12:5
Great Trump - Matt 24:29-31

Matt 24:31 is not a rapture, rather it's a gathering. If it was a rapture, the word harpazo would be there.

Yes, gathering from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. They got up there somehow.

 

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14 minutes ago, Zemke said:

Yes, gathering from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. They got up there somehow.

:cool:

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1 hour ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Trib saints from all around the world..

Matt 24:31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Yes, but the elect in that passage is only Israel.  It is talking about the regathering of Israel to their land.   It is not describing the rapture, not even close.

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5 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Yes, but the elect in that passage is only Israel.  It is talking about the regathering of Israel to their land.

1. If that's so, what happens to the saved Gentiles around the world, Rom 11:25.
2. Saved Gentiles (the church) also comes down from Heaven with Christ, Rev 19.
3. I would think that God brings the Jews back into their land when she gives birth in September, Micah 5:2-3.

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18 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

1. If that's so, what happens to the saved Gentiles around the world, Rom 11:25.
2. Saved Gentiles (the church) also comes down from Heaven with Christ, Rev 19.
3. I would think that God brings the Jews back into their land when she gives birth in September, Micah 5:2-3.

Are you speaking of the Gentiles that get saved during the tribulation?

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