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Paul's authority

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Im confused about something.  Why do people dismiss Paul's letters as biblical  authority about issues . Thats basically contradicting 2 Timothy 3.16. God's word  is absolute.  Only exception being aspects of the old covenant which was explained as having passed away. When people do this its basically  rebellion to parts f Gods word they don't like

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6 minutes ago, creativemechanic said:

Why do people dismiss Paul's letters as biblical  authority about issues .

That way they have wider latitude to believe as they want to believe rather than what God has revealed to Paul for the Churches.

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I firmly believe in 2 Timothy 3.16-17.  People who refuse to follow all God has said cherry pick their favorite passages.  This has been going on as log back as I can tell.

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“The day is coming,” says the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and brought them out of the land of Egypt. They broke that covenant, though I loved them as a husband loves his wife,” says the Lord.

“But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,” says the Lord. “I will put my instructions deep within them, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their relatives, saying, ‘You should know the Lord.’ For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will know me already,” says the Lord. “And I will forgive their wickedness, and I will never again remember their sins.” Jeremiah 31:31-34 (New Living Translation)

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For he finds fault with them when he says:“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.”

In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Hebrews 8:8-13 (English Standard Version)

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Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. Matthew 24:35 (New International Version)

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1 hour ago, creativemechanic said:

Im confused about something.  Why do people dismiss Paul's letters as biblical  authority about issues . Thats basically contradicting 2 Timothy 3.16. God's word  is absolute.  Only exception being aspects of the old covenant which was explained as having passed away. When people do this its basically  rebellion to parts f Gods word they don't like

Can we have an example as to what you mean? I don't recall seeing anyone rejecting Paul's authority. 

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To give the example i saw would srart another long  debate so i dont want to refer to it. But to be general ive heard someone say (outside here) -but Jesus didn't say it. Only Paul, the issue was the wearing makeup one

42 minutes ago, Judas Machabeus said:

Can we have an example as to what you mean? I don't recall seeing anyone rejecting Paul's 

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37 minutes ago, creativemechanic said:

To give the example i saw would srart another long  debate so i dont want to refer to it. But to be general ive heard someone say (outside here) -but Jesus didn't say it. Only Paul, the issue was the wearing makeup one

Another example is the 'red letter' believers. They tend to hold almost exclusively to the words of Jesus while bypassing Paul.

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2 hours ago, creativemechanic said:

Im confused about something.  Why do people dismiss Paul's letters as biblical  authority about issues . Thats basically contradicting 2 Timothy 3.16. God's word  is absolute.  Only exception being aspects of the old covenant which was explained as having passed away. When people do this its basically  rebellion to parts f Gods word they don't like

It is a good chunk of the N.T. that Paul wrote and if people dismiss Paul's letters then they can say what they want the Bible to tell them.  There are whole denominations that teach their congregations  that they don't have to listen to Paul.  Its terrible decision in my opinion because you have basically taken out  2Tim 3: 16 and are basically saying you can reinvent what the Bible teaches.   People are contradicting Jesus too when they do this.  Jesus grabbed Saul on the road to Damascus and made him His servant Paul. It is rebellion and not submitting to God , it's self-deception. Ever notice how angry these people get with the ones who submit to the scripture ?   It is open -season when someone confronts them with scripture.

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1 hour ago, creativemechanic said:

but Jesus didn't say it. Only Paul

Gotcha. That's what I was looking for and not the specific person. I agree that would have started something. 

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1 hour ago, creativemechanic said:

To give the example i saw would srart another long  debate so i dont want to refer to it. But to be general ive heard someone say (outside here) -but Jesus didn't say it. Only Paul, the issue was the wearing makeup one

Wasn't Paul instructing Christian women not to dress as a harlot or as the prostitutes were? 

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