Guest shiloh357 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 8 hours ago, Marilyn C said: Hi OneLight, I believe those verses are relating to the rapture. Now the `last trumpet` & the `trumpet of God` relate to God`s voice - `And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking to me, saying, "Come up here...` (Rev. 4: 1) The `last trumpet,` I believe is God`s final word to the Body of Christ on earth. God speaks to Israel and the nations as a trumpet in judgment, later on. Marilyn. The last trumpet is not a "word" from God. The last trumpet is a reference to Rosh Hashanna. There two trumpets, the last Trumpet and the Great Trumpet. The Great Trumpet refers to the Day of Judgment or Yom Kippur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,181 Content Per Day: 3.50 Reputation: 8,482 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted May 25, 2017 10 hours ago, shiloh357 said: The last trumpet is not a "word" from God. The last trumpet is a reference to Rosh Hashanna. There two trumpets, the last Trumpet and the Great Trumpet. The Great Trumpet refers to the Day of Judgment or Yom Kippur. Hi Shiloh, Yes, that is the earthy trumpet/s. However God does use it as a symbol of His voice as we see here. `I was in the Spirit on the Lord`s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, "I am the Alpha & the Omega, the First and the Last,"...(Rev. 1: 10 & 11) `And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking to me, saying, "Come up here...` (Rev. 4: 1) Marilyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 58 minutes ago, Marilyn C said: Hi Shiloh, Yes, that is the earthy trumpet/s. However God does use it as a symbol of His voice as we see here. `I was in the Spirit on the Lord`s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, "I am the Alpha & the Omega, the First and the Last,"...(Rev. 1: 10 & 11) `And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking to me, saying, "Come up here...` (Rev. 4: 1) Marilyn. But it is not a symbol of his voice relative to prophecy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted May 26, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,181 Content Per Day: 3.50 Reputation: 8,482 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted May 26, 2017 5 hours ago, shiloh357 said: But it is not a symbol of his voice relative to prophecy. Hi Shiloh, Oh but it is, bro. The trumpet symbol as the Lord`s voice is very relative to prophecy. Let`s look at some relevant scriptures. `Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself.` (John 5: 25 & 26) In the context later on we see this refers to the general resurrection of the dead. The point I am bringing out, however, is that it is the voice of the Lord that brings the dead to life. Thus we see this happening in regard to the prophetic writings of the rapture. `For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.` (1Thess. 4: 16) So how do those dead rise? It is by the Lord`s voice as He said He had the power and authority to do that. Now we know that God has said in His word that the Lord`s voice sounds as a trumpet, giving the thought of a calling forth, a heralding of an important event and a gathering together. `I was in the Spirit on the Lord`s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, "I am the Alpha & the Omega, the First and the Last,"...(Rev. 1: 10 & 11) `And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking to me, saying, "Come up here...` (Rev. 4: 1) And these scriptures clearly show that the Lord`s voice is likened to a trumpet, as authoritative, one whose voice carries a strong command, and in regard to the `catching away,` the Lord`s voice brings the dead to life. Thus the symbol of the trumpet being the Lord`s voice relative to prophecy is quite clear - - The Lord has the authority & power to speak and the dead are brought to life. - The Lord`s voice sounds like a trumpet. - A trumpet calls forth people, gathers them, heralds an important event. - The dead are raised when the Lord descends and calls them forth at the rapture. Marilyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted May 26, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2017 16 hours ago, shiloh357 said: The last trumpet is a reference to Rosh Hashanna. There two trumpets, the last Trumpet and the Great Trumpet. The Great Trumpet refers to the Day of Judgment or Yom Kippur. That's right, 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5 - last trump Matt 24:29-31 - Great trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted May 26, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,181 Content Per Day: 3.50 Reputation: 8,482 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted May 26, 2017 `Behold I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep. But we shall all be changed - in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.` (1 Cor. 15: 51 & 52) It is not a trumpet that has power to raise the dead but the Lord`s voice like a trumpet, which we are told is a symbol of His voice. (Rev. 1: 10 & 11) It is only the Lord who has been given the power and authority to raise the dead. (John 5: 25 & 26) Thus the `last trumpet` is the last time the Lord`s voice will resonate as a trumpet to His people for He is calling the upward to their eternal destination in the third heaven with Him where they will rule & reign. There they will see Him face to face. Marilyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted May 26, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,181 Content Per Day: 3.50 Reputation: 8,482 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted May 26, 2017 19 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said: That's right, Hi Heb, Shiloh said - `The last trumpet is a reference to Rosh Hashanna. There two trumpets, the last Trumpet and the Great Trumpet. The Great Trumpet refers to the Day of Judgment or Yom Kippur.` Christians do NOT go to that judgment. Being `saved,` means that we are saved from God`s judgment. So we are NOT going to be at the great White Throne judgment, as it was Jesus who took our judgment upon Himself. That is what salvation means - saved from eternal judgment! Marilyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Marilyn C said: `Behold I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep. But we shall all be changed - in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.` (1 Cor. 15: 51 & 52) It is not a trumpet that has power to raise the dead but the Lord`s voice like a trumpet, which we are told is a symbol of His voice. (Rev. 1: 10 & 11) It is only the Lord who has been given the power and authority to raise the dead. (John 5: 25 & 26) Thus the `last trumpet` is the last time the Lord`s voice will resonate as a trumpet to His people for He is calling the upward to their eternal destination in the third heaven with Him where they will rule & reign. There they will see Him face to face. Marilyn. No, that is just your ill-informed assumption. The Bible doesn't say that the last trumpet is the Lord's voice. You are penciling that into the Bible. That is another example of sloppy hermeneutics on your part. Just because the Bible uses a trumpet as a metaphor in part of the Bible, it doesn't mean you plug that into other places where trumpets are mentioned in the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Marilyn C said: Hi Heb, Shiloh said - `The last trumpet is a reference to Rosh Hashanna. There two trumpets, the last Trumpet and the Great Trumpet. The Great Trumpet refers to the Day of Judgment or Yom Kippur.` Christians do NOT go to that judgment. Being `saved,` means that we are saved from God`s judgment. So we are NOT going to be at the great White Throne judgment, as it was Jesus who took our judgment upon Himself. That is what salvation means - saved from eternal judgment! Marilyn. I never said that we are going to that judgement. I guess you need to read and respond to what I actually said instead of trying to refute arguments I didn't raise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted May 26, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first What does this say? Edited May 26, 2017 by Daniel 11:36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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