Jayne Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,803 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,779 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 20, 2017 And about David - When the Bible calls David a man after God's own heart, it doesn't mean that he was "special" to God in a perverse showing-of-favoritism kind of way. Nor does it mean that David got away with personal sins because God liked him better than other people. Nor does it mean that David was this perpetual harp-playing, tree-hugging, sheep-tending innocent-of-heart boy. David sinned grievously. MANY times. In MANY ways. He admitted those very words - "I have sinned grievously." And God refused to allow David to build the Temple because David has too much blood on his hands as a military man. 1 Chronicles 22:8 He was a lousy husband and a worse father. His family - especially his children - were more dysfunctional because of David, their father, than was Jacob's family. Many people suffered because of David's own personal sins. The punishment that the people had to bear when David numbered them, the men, boys, and male animals living on Abigail's property who almost lost their lives because of David's pride and temper, Uriah, Bathsheba, David's children suffering from his neglect of discipline, and Michal, who became very bitter towards David, as his wife because after she helped him escape from her father - she doesn't see him for a long time and when she is finally reunited, he has other wives. Then why does David get that prized title, "a man after God's own heart?" Because of a couple of things. It's because of David's devotion - his love and obedience to God and his fierce dependence ON God. That's a big part of it. Another big part of it is because whenever God "called David out" on his personal and wicked sins - his passionate temper, his fleshly passions, and his pride - David immediately and without hesitation repented with MUCH grief.King David mourned over his personal sins and their affront to God like no other person seen in the Bible. His own sins made him sick. And when confronted with them, he turned away from them and acknowledged his sin before a Holy God. Being a man after God's own heart didn't make him special. It made him a sinful man who was willing to allow God to purge the sin away from him and submitted to the chastisement of God with as much abandon as he did the love of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted May 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jayne said: Yes, "Everyone else" - and that includes the whole world - is condemned and dead already. We cannot make atonement for our own sins. Yes, God "had to" send his Son to die for everyone else's sin. God is the only one who can decide to save his creation in the first place. First, we belong to him - he created us and the universe. We are his to mold as he sees fit and to do with as he sees fit. Second, God is the only one who CAN save. He is the only one holy, righteous, and pure who CAN cover sin and free his people. Third, Jesus Christ - who IS God and who is the Son of God at the same time - was the only holy, righteous, and pure ransom TO be utilized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notsolostsoul Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 419 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 204 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/07/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Jayne said: First, we belong to him - he created us and the universe. We are his to mold as he sees fit and to do with as he sees fit. Second, God is the only one who CAN save. He is the only one holy, righteous, and pure who CAN cover sin and free his people. Third, Jesus Christ - who IS God and who is the Son of God at the same time - was the only holy, righteous, and pure ransom TO be utilized. So we are nothing but what he wants us to be. He causes conflict or leaves us to commit sin as he sees fit. And no matter how hard we try it is still up to him to free us of our sin. It's all on him. Reason I say the set up. Reason I say he knows us, controls us, directs or guides us all for his purposes whether good or bad. Even Jesus was subjected to what God wanted. Even the righteous was tormented and tortured for God's sake not necessarily ours, because we are nothing. So he didn't make us robots so he could have drama. Cause robots would easily do as directed. He wants the excitement of conflict and pushing people to their limits so they can come running back to him? Hmmm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 20, 2017 12 hours ago, notsolostsoul said: Why would God anoint, make suffer, bring to power and then destroy him? David still fell into sin and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. David was still forgiven and will still rule and reign with Christ Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 20, 2017 12 hours ago, notsolostsoul said: So does God set people up to fail? NO. People bring it on themselves. God doesnt tempt people in this fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 20, 2017 12 hours ago, notsolostsoul said: Did Jesus' death remove us from suffering at the end? Is repenting pointless if we still have to pay for our sins at the end? No it doesnt remove suffering because we will all die either from natural causes or through persecution. As for that last WE do not pay for our sins Jesus Christ did it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Jayne said: Being a man after God's own heart didn't make him special. It made him a sinful man who was willing to allow God to purge the sin away from him and submitted to the chastisement of God with as much abandon as he did the love of God. Even or especially by God's Word that makes him 'special' / rare/ unique/ few there are who follow Jesus...... who seek God's Heart ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 20, 2017 Webster says, “That is pernicious which works mischief or destruction.” This present age therefore is not content to perish in its own corruption, but seeks to drag all men with it down to its own inevitable destruction. The outstanding philosophy of religion of this present pernicious age is, that acceptance with Deity is by means of the good works of the individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 20, 2017 7 hours ago, notsolostsoul said: You sure sound like you have a deep disregard/dislike for God. Either that, or you really do not understand life and His reason to test us. Where did all this come form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Churchmouse Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,216 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 1,014 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/29/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/02/1958 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) Why don't you guys take a hint from peoples user names. The name NOTSOLOSTSOUL speaks volumes to the mindset of this person, to me. Arrogance has a language all it's own and I hear it load and clear from how this thread was configured and the placing of the situation .. It just blows my mind when people go out on a limb to answer the loaded questions of someone whose agenda isn't to listen but to instruct us in the so-called errors of our ways. What part of brush the dirt off of your sandals doesn't anyone get here? Edited May 20, 2017 by Churchmouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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