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3 hours ago, Badjao33 said:

I find it strange that @Wolf Bridges or anyone would come to the conclusion that I defend ISIS actions as anything less than evil based on what is written in this thread. I know terrorism first hand and I have had people I know die as a result of terrorism here in Mindanao. I was within site of a bombing that took place here in Davao last September that killed 15 and injured dozens more. Ironically, part of my ministry is trying to prevent young people here from joining terrorist groups by encouraging them to stay in school and teaching them that God (Regardless of their religious affiliation) does not approve of terrorist activities. 

In 2013 some members of the people group I work with were offered 10,000 pesos (Just $200) and a weapon to launch an attack in Zamboanga City. That was all it took to convince some of them to take up arms. Hundreds died and tens of thousands were left homeless following that attack with more than 150 from the people group I work with dying from disease in the months that followed. I have seen the suffering that terrorism causes first hand. 

A lot of people join these extremist groups out of desperation. $200 may not sound like a lot, but that is more than most people in the Sulu region of Mindanao make in six months. It is easy for these types of groups to recruit people to join their ranks not only here, but anywhere where there is poverty and lack of opportunity. How pointing  out that financial gain rather than religion is a major factor in why people decide to join ISIS made me a supporter of them, I will never know. 

The one thing this thread did was show how defensive and angry people become when their religion is challenged. I did make several posts about how there are atrocities being carried out in the name of Christianity in this thread, and angry responses are what followed.

As was pointed out, this is a Christian forum. But how would a Muslim feel if they happened across this thread or another thread similar to this? They would no doubt be hurt at some of the posts being made that condemn their religion and its followers.  They would take this as a personal insult. There are other threads on this forum that are far worse, but if we are trying to reach the lost, we shouldn't be slandering the faith of those we hope to reach on a public forum that is supposed to represent the love and compassion of Jesus Christ. By doing so, a Muslim who may be coming to this forum to seek answers about Christianity would certainly be turned away by some of the things Christians are saying about them in some of the threads. 

If this forum is to be used to bring people closer to Christ in addition to allowing brothers and sister from around the world to study, then we should limit the amount of bashing we direct at unbelievers and their faiths regardless of our opinions of them. It is also hypocritical for Christians to be throwing stones at Islam when there are groups out there committing the same evil crimes against others in the name of Christianity. I am not equating the two religions in saying that, I am only pointing out that the pendulum swings both ways.

In parts of India for example, Christianity is viewed in much the same way as many westerners view Islam. They view Christianity as a barbaric, backward religion. They claim Christianity is being spread by the sword and that conquering their lands to create a Christian nation. The sad thing is that these Christian extremist groups are being supported and funded by American churches. 

The point I am trying to make is that the Church needs to weed out a lot of its own problems before it even thinks it has the right to condemn the rest of the world for theirs. But even then, it's not our place to condemn anyone, that is God's place. Our role is to love God, love others, share the Good News, and show people of all backgrounds, including our enemies, the same compassion that Jesus showed us.  

I apologize to anyone who may have taken my posts in this thread the wrong way, that was never my intention. I assure you that you would be hard pressed to find someone who despises the evil actions of ISIS and groups like them more than I do. 

 



 

Please understand this question is as a new member here. 
Your profile says you joined this forum in March and that would make you relatively new also. How would you know what this forum "use to be" like when you've only been here for a couple of months. 

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5 hours ago, Badjao33 said:

Exactly. I am saying the opposite of what you think I am. 

What I am saying is that the LRA are not Christians, just like ISIS are not Muslims.

A true Christian would not do these things in the name of religion, just as a true Muslim would not either. 

Neither of these groups are true representatives of their faith, they are frauds. 
 

ISIS is the most pute form of islam.  You need to read the Qur'an as well.

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1 hour ago, PlanetChee said:

It isn't your call. Why are you so angry? 

If I told someone I am going to pray for you and they said , "No- do not."   As a born again Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ,  I would respect their Wishes immediately without argument.  

Luke 6:30, 31 " To every one who asks, give; .....   " Do unto others as you would have them do to you.…"

 

 

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Muhammad led genocidal campaigns against infidels, encouraged marrying little children, enslaving women, and torture. This is in the Quran, this is a part of the hadith and sunnah. Islam is evil. There is no way around it. As long as people continue to apologize and lie about it's true nature, pure evil, heinous acts against innocent people will continue...Manchester is not the beginning and will certainly not be the last as long as we continue to ignore and  excuse these animals. 

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51 minutes ago, Davida said:

If I told someone I am going to pray for you and they said , "No- do not."   As a born again Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ,  I would respect their Wishes immediately without argument.  

Luke 6:30, 31 " To every one who asks, give; .....   " Do unto others as you would have them do to you.…"

 

 

As a fellow Christian I would wonder why any Christian would rebuke someone holding them in prayer.  

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Luke 6:27-28 “But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you.

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On 5/22/2017 at 8:35 PM, Allroses48 said:

Muhammad led genocidal campaigns against infidels, encouraged marrying little children, enslaving women, and torture. This is in the Quran, this is a part of the hadith and sunnah. Islam is evil. There is no way around it. As long as people continue to apologize and lie about it's true nature, pure evil, heinous acts against innocent people will continue.... Manchester is not the beginning and will certainly not be the last as long as we continue to ignore and  excuse these animals. 

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20 hours ago, Badjao33 said:

What makes you think rape isn't prosecuted in Muslim countries? Not only is rape a crime in Muslim countries, but the punishments are often harsh and swift.  

That's not really true.  In Muslim culture a woman has to have four witnesses to convict a man of rape and that is really hard since the testimony of a woman in Islam is not considered reliable.

Rape is a crime, but men are rarely if ever prosecuted for it.   That's because if a woman accuses a man of rape but cannot secure four witnesses, what she has now confessed to is having sex outside of marriage and she can be prosecuted as an adulterer.

While raping Muslim women is against Muslim law (but rarely enforced), raping non-Muslim women is not.   And that is why we saw such a sharp increase of incidents of rape in Europe after the Muslim refugees came to countries like Germany and Sweden.

The Muslim rape of a woman is almost impossible to prove under  Muslim law which is always weighted in the man's favor.   If she cannot secure four witnesses and the rapist claims the sex was consensual, the woman is pretty much helpless to counter that.  Her testimony is worthless and the responsibility is mostly on the woman to avoid sexual encounters and to remain pure.    If she doesn't have four witnesses then she is considered as making a false accusation without evidence.   https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/rape-adultery.aspx

Here is a fatwa from an Islamic site that makes that case:

However, it is not permissible to accuse the father of rape without evidence. Indeed, the Sharee’ah put some special conditions for proving Zina (fornication or adultery) that are not required in case of other crimes. The crime of Zina is not confirmed except if the fornicator admits it, or with the testimony of four trustworthy men, while the testimony of women is not accepted.

Hence, the statement of this girl or the statement of her mother in itself does not Islamically prove anything against the father, especially that the latter denies it.

Therefore, if this daughter has no evidence to prove that her accusations are true, she should not have claimed that she was raped by her father and she should not have taken him to the court. But if what she says is true, then she has the right to ask for protection from him even by taking him to the court so that he would not continue committing this evil or practice more sinful acts with her. In this case, she would claim his dissoluteness and her fear of his evil so that she will be kept apart from him.

Allaah Knows best.  http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=156817

It is because of this, that honor killings are permitted.   A man can kill his wife or daughter as fornicators if they were raped, as they have done damage to his honor. 

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A country like the United States that averages 10 rapes an hour is a rape culture. Sorry, but it can not be seen any other way. 

No, that is not how you determine a rape culture.   American culture is not a rape culture.  We do not condone it, we do not ignore it.  We have laws against it.

Every culture has a seedy underbelly and a faction that is morally indifferent to sin and to crime.   The laundry list you provide does not represent the whole, or the majority of American culture and is not a defense of Islamic culture either.

We have many crimes in this country that are committed several times an hour and do not define our culture.  There is an aggravated assault every 40 seconds, a burglary every 14 seconds, a vehicle theft every 42 seconds. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/crime-clock

Those stats are from 2010, but haven't likely changed, for the better.  

Those things do not define our culture.   We are not like Islam.

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There are very few laws on the books that prosecute Muslims for rape and if there are, they aren't prosecuted. If they are prosecuted, the majority of the time, rapist gets off, and the victim is harassed, tortured, or murdered. Islam has a huge rape culture. You should read up on it on Google or Youtube. There are very valid and well documented cases throughout the Islamic world on the precedence of rape in these countries. Women are not considered at the same status of a man and can be used for sex, including children.

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Romans 12:9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. 10 Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another; 11 not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; 12 rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer; 13 distributing to the needs of the saints, given to hospitality.

14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. 16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.

17 Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. 18 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 Therefore

“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
If he is thirsty, give him a drink;
For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.”

21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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5 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

Romans 12:9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. 10 Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another; 11 not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; 12 rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer; 13 distributing to the needs of the saints, given to hospitality.

14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. 16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.

17 Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. 18 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 Therefore

“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
If he is thirsty, give him a drink;
For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.”

21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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