wingnut- Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, Running Gator said: Seems this is more about WalMart than freedom of speech. If it had been a Best Buy or a Home Depot that did this same thing, would it have been as big an issue for you? I'm not a fan of Walmart, but I assure you this is about freedom of speech. If Best Buy or Home Depot had done this I would be saying the same thing except I wouldn't be able to point to all the same past transgressions that Walmart has against them. 12 minutes ago, Running Gator said: Why would all the grocery stores and pharmacies follow suit? I mean, sure anything is possible, but why in the world would they? If she said something they didn't like inside their stores it would be a permissible action according to your position. So where does it stop? And when does it become applied to something you might feel you have the right to say? And as I pointed out in the last post, the government has already set a precedent in regards to private places and their rights under law. Do you expect them to speak on this woman's behalf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2017 11 minutes ago, MorningGlory said: No you are NOT reading me correctly. Worthy only prohibits vulgar or antichristian rhetoric and I'm glad they do. This board allows free speech as much as it can within Christian principles. Walmart can restrict speech in their stores too all day long but it's not right and I don't like it. And yes, if and when I choose to speak my mind I will and let the chips fall where they may. It's just part of being American I guess. So, it is "right" for Worthy to do it, but not "right" for WalMart to do it? Is that what you are saying> And, in all honesty you really do not feel it is right for a place of business to limit what can be said there? You do not think that it would be right restaurant to limit the kinds of things their patrons can say while they are eating there? Should I be able to sit down at Applebee's and as loud as I can use profanity, make racial comments and such? Would it not be "right" of them to stop me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, wingnut- said: I'm not a fan of Walmart, but I assure you this is about freedom of speech. If Best Buy or Home Depot had done this I would be saying the same thing except I wouldn't be able to point to all the same past transgressions that Walmart has against them. What do you think that WalMart should have done? Should they just allow the woman to say whatever she wants? Is any restriction on her right to say what she wants, when she wants, without consequences an attack on the freedom of speech? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2017 Just now, Running Gator said: What do you think that WalMart should have done? Should they just allow the woman to say whatever she wants? Is any restriction on her right to say what she wants, when she wants, without consequences an attack on the freedom of speech? I think they should have escorted her out and told her that behavior is not tolerated, not ban her from the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2017 Just now, wingnut- said: I think they should have escorted her out and told her that behavior is not tolerated, not ban her from the place. Is that not also infringing on her freedom of speech? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2017 No, it's a solution that diffuses the situation and hopefully she learns how to behave properly in public from it. The main issue here is that no one will blink an eye about this, because most of us understand that her behavior isn't what anyone wants to see or hear in public. The problem is, this is all being done slyly to lead to what is eventually coming, a complete halt to freedom for all, and I don't wish to assist in ushering in that world. You mentioned before about the workplace, and without getting into detail I will provide you an example of why this is all a sham. There are certain words that are not allowed to be uttered by all ethnic groups but one, so how can an employer punish one employee for what it allows another one to say? And the irony is that the one allowed to say it is the one that would lodge the complaint against others. Freedom of speech is just that, freedom, or it is tyranny decided by someone else as to what is acceptable. I don't say things that I think would hurt others because I know it is wrong, not everyone agrees with me as to my interpretation, so who is right? And who gets to decide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, wingnut- said: No, it's a solution that diffuses the situation and hopefully she learns how to behave properly in public from it. The main issue here is that no one will blink an eye about this, because most of us understand that her behavior isn't what anyone wants to see or hear in public. The problem is, this is all being done slyly to lead to what is eventually coming, a complete halt to freedom for all, and I don't wish to assist in ushering in that world. It seems we are just not going to see eye to eye on this. To me, either way is a limit on her freedom of speech, and I am ok with that as it is not the place of a private business to ensure freedom of speech. They are in the business of making money and having someone yell at fellow customers and use the language she did is not condusive to making money. I think it is a bit of an overreaction, though the latest thing I have read from WalMart is that she will be asked "not to shop there anymore", which in WalMart talk is not being banned. I banned a gentleman from a store because he was coming into my store and being rude and harassing his ex-girlfriend. I can tell you I did more than just ask him not to come back. When I go out to eat I hope that the establishment I choose to eat at has similar rules as WalMart, I personally want mine, and everyone else's freedom of speech limited while we are all eating in the same building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Running Gator said: It seems we are just not going to see eye to eye on this. To me, either way is a limit on her freedom of speech, and I am ok with that as it is not the place of a private business to ensure freedom of speech. They are in the business of making money and having someone yell at fellow customers and use the language she did is not condusive to making money. I think it is a bit of an overreaction, though the latest thing I have read from WalMart is that she will be asked "not to shop there anymore", which in WalMart talk is not being banned. I banned a gentleman from a store because he was coming into my store and being rude and harassing his ex-girlfriend. I can tell you I did more than just ask him not to come back. When I go out to eat I hope that the establishment I choose to eat at has similar rules as WalMart, I personally want mine, and everyone else's freedom of speech limited while we are all eating in the same building. Perhaps not, but I would offer this for your consideration. Recently on another thread on this forum, you argued the very position I am arguing now in regards to what words are or are not curse words. I was one of the few people that agreed with you on that argument, because it is in fact the same issue just under a different light. I am being consistent in regards to this, so I am curious if maybe your take in this instance doesn't have to do with your allegiance to Walmart? Just something to think on. God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2017 51 minutes ago, wingnut- said: Perhaps not, but I would offer this for your consideration. Recently on another thread on this forum, you argued the very position I am arguing now in regards to what words are or are not curse words. I was one of the few people that agreed with you on that argument, because it is in fact the same issue just under a different light. I am being consistent in regards to this, so I am curious if maybe your take in this instance doesn't have to do with your allegiance to Walmart? Just something to think on. God bless I belive I am being consistent. My argument was that society sets the words that are "profane". WalMart's reaction to this was based upon what society views as acceptable right now. It is my belief that they did not act out of any sort of morality or such, they are not judging the words of the woman as much as the reaction they got from the rest of the society. Go back in time 40 years and someone saying these things in a WalMart would have been common place and WalMart would not have cared. Also, I started my first job just why of 40 years ago and in all those years I have been fired from a job once, and that was WalMart. My last manager was a weak leader and she was intimidated by the way the associates responded to my leadership so she set out to make my life enough of a living heck that I would quit. This went on for 6 months with me appealing to the market manager on multiple occasions. In the end the MM had to choose between the new guy or the established manager and I got fired just after my 2 year mark with the company. So, I have no allegiance to them, I just happen to know how they operate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Running Gator said: So, it is "right" for Worthy to do it, but not "right" for WalMart to do it? Is that what you are saying> And, in all honesty you really do not feel it is right for a place of business to limit what can be said there? You do not think that it would be right restaurant to limit the kinds of things their patrons can say while they are eating there? Should I be able to sit down at Applebee's and as loud as I can use profanity, make racial comments and such? Would it not be "right" of them to stop me? None of the above applies to what I'm saying. I know that speech can be curtailed or restricted but I, in the purest sense of the First Amendment, don't like it, don't accept it and it would never stop me from saying anything I felt I had to say no matter where I was. Most of us have enough sense not to do any of the things you mentioned however. You're just not getting it, RG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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