HisFirst Posted May 29, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 21 Topic Count: 315 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 3,491 Content Per Day: 1.26 Reputation: 2,582 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/25/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 21 hours ago, PlanetChee said: It was a father's shame that his son saw him nude and drunk. Genesis 9 has the full report concerning this. Noah Cursed Ham because he also brought his fathers shame, because drunkenness was condemned by God also, to the attention of his brothers with the taking of the covering to obscure his fathers body. Ham's brothers did not otherwise see Noah nude. Ham is the father of Canaan. Which today is the Levant. The area of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Israel. Hi Pchee, I do know the background of the story - I just didn't feel that there was much elaboration on the small details. But thanks for your reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetChee Posted May 29, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 791 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 547 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 29, 2017 2 hours ago, HisFirst said: Hi Pchee, I do know the background of the story - I just didn't feel that there was much elaboration on the small details. But thanks for your reply Oh, hey, in the event you haven't noticed, I'm all about the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted May 29, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,848 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,758 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Online Share Posted May 29, 2017 2 hours ago, HisFirst said: Hi Pchee, I do know the background of the story - I just didn't feel that there was much elaboration on the small details. But thanks for your reply You don't mind telling us the details, those we don't read in the scriptures. I would appreciate it if you do. Just like you were there as one reporting on them. your intervews with all parties. The findings of your investigation Considering their credibility and realibility of their statements. As one who is appointed to contact an intepented inquiry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted May 29, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted May 29, 2017 On 5/26/2017 at 6:39 PM, HisFirst said: I'd like some light shed on this plz. *so Noah is naked and drunk in his tent after drinking wine. Son Ham has seen this, told his two brothers who then put a blanket over Noah, all the while with their backs toward Noah, so as to not see their dad naked. However, Noah must have been aware of all this as later on he curses Ham and blesses the two other sons. *Is Hams curse to do with seeing Noah naked? Why such a serious curse? Lev 20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. What Ham did was unspeakable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted May 29, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,848 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,758 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Online Share Posted May 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, gdemoss said: Why such a serious curse? Lev 20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. What Ham did was unspeakable. Are you suggesting that Ham, lied with Noah's wife . Why his own wife was to old. What was the unspeakable, details are essential, then we can tell if it was an accidental encouder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted May 29, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted May 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: Are you suggesting that Ham, lied with Noah's wife . Why his own wife was to old. What was the unspeakable, details are essential, then we can tell if it was an accidental encouder. Yes, I believe that is what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisFirst Posted May 29, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 21 Topic Count: 315 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 3,491 Content Per Day: 1.26 Reputation: 2,582 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/25/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, gdemoss said: Why such a serious curse? Lev 20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. What Ham did was unspeakable. I would never have thought that reading about Ham. I do know that another son in the Bible did that to his father, didn't know Ham did it. Genesis 35v22:King James BibleAnd it came to pass, when Israel dwelt in that land, that Reuben went and lay with Bilhah his father's concubine: and Israel heard it. Now the sons of Jacob were twelve: Edited May 29, 2017 by HisFirst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisFirst Posted May 29, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 21 Topic Count: 315 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 3,491 Content Per Day: 1.26 Reputation: 2,582 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/25/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said: You don't mind telling us the details, those we don't read in the scriptures. I would appreciate it if you do. Just like you were there as one reporting on them. your intervews with all parties. The findings of your investigation Considering their credibility and realibility of their statements. As one who is appointed to contact an intepented inquiry. I'm a bit lost with this reply - what did I say that wasn't Scriptural? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted June 2, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,644 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,831 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 2, 2017 On 5/29/2017 at 10:08 AM, gdemoss said: On 5/29/2017 at 10:03 AM, Your closest friendnt said: Are you suggesting that Ham, lied with Noah's wife . Why his own wife was to old. What was the unspeakable, details are essential, then we can tell if it was an accidental encouder. Yes, I believe that is what happened. Ham (apparently) walked in on the drunk, uncovered wife of Noah and had relations with her. Hence the curse on the child of that conception Canaan. By this time there was some diversity of marriage partners, as there was estimates for world population at the time range from a few million to as many as a billion (depending on the source). But relatively speaking (pun intended) it was not that long ago to them that the offspring of Adam married their siblings. AND there was no Law about such relations. We must bear this in mind looking back to those times. I am in no way exonerating this idiot, ghoul, and any name you can come up with and not say on a Christian forums board... I am saying the morals of those people in that age were quite different from our and even those in times since the giving of the Law... that even the Gentiles came to abhor by New Testament times: 1 Corinthians 5:1 (NKJV) 1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife! The Bible pulls no punches. Unless I am completely wrong (and that is always a possibility)... the Bible indicates historically this is what transpired. Otherwise one is hard pressed to explain why Noah cursed Canaan for what Ham did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appy Posted June 2, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,864 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 2,596 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 2, 2017 2 hours ago, JohnD said: Ham (apparently) walked in on the drunk, uncovered wife of Noah and had relations with her. Hence the curse on the child of that conception Canaan. There is nothing in the scripture that says Noah's wife was drunk, only Noah. Scripture only says that ham saw his father's nakedness and then told his brothers about it. Anything else is pure speculation. But Canaan being cursed instead of ham is something a lot of us, don't fully understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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