Trump tells 'confidants' U.S. will leave Paris climate deal: Axios

[Running Gator]

30 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

I didn't say that it is false simply because I disagree with it.  It's false because it isn't true.  

Of course it is true, his words speak for themselves.  

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No, if he lacked courage, he would not publicly called the European nations on the carpet and demanded they pay for their defense, to their faces while they were standing just feet away from him.  

NATO is not the G7, NATO always cowers to the US because we do all the heavy lifting. 

 

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You have no idea what was said to the president of Mexico when the cameras were not running.

Well, he told us he didn't talk about it, I guess he could have been lying.   It would not have been the first time.

[SavedByGrace1981]

Without getting into the weeds as to whether or not President Trump is a coward; not signing on to the hoax that is the Paris Accords is the right thing to do.

Kudos to President Trump if we do indeed not sign on to this.

EDIT:  (and Hillary, or virtually ANY OTHER REPUBLICAN would have signed on in a second)

Blessings,

-Ed

Edited May 29, 2017 by SavedByGrace1981

[OneLight]

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[kwikphilly]

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Kudos to President Trump if we do indeed not sign on to this.                                                  SObG

I seriously doubt he will pull us out.....it would seem to me (although we do not contribute the most $$$)though we may initially save a tremendous amount it would cost as far more in the long run ..it is highly likely if America was the "rogue" that everyone would impose tax tariffs on  us and I can't even imagine whatelse they can come up with....besides ,for appearances sake I will guess he will stay as most of his advisors are hoping(rumor has it-lol)

[SavedByGrace1981]

8 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

I seriously doubt he will pull us out.....it would seem to me (although we do not contribute the most $$$)though we may initially save a tremendous amount it would cost as far more in the long run ..it is highly likely if America was the "rogue" that everyone would impose tax tariffs on  us and I can't even imagine whatelse they can come up with....besides ,for appearances sake I will guess he will stay as most of his advisors are hoping(rumor has it-lol)

Ted Cruz makes a good case for our pulling out:

Ted Cruz: Trump should withdraw from Paris climate pact

Blessings,

-Ed

[other one]

We don't need to do anything more about global warming until China gets it's emissions down to what we have ours

[kwikphilly]

Blessings SObG

    Perhaps I didn't word my reply very well because after re-reading it I can see why anyone might think I am in favor of President Trump keeping us bound my this (voluntary) pact,let me be perfectly clear that I am not  and many of the reasons that I do hope the President pulls us out of there is based on everything Cruz mentioned in the article you referred to.......if everyone was held to the same standards(& remember ,nothing in this agreement has any legally binding obligations) then it would not be what it is,an unfair agreement where the bulk of responsibilty is shrugged off by everyone & placed on our lap-ridiculous imo!

    What I was saying is that "my guess" is that he just may not withdraw because on the other side of the coin it can possibly present many issues as a result of going rogue that can cost as much more in the long run,I'm really not sure because its hard to get "the facts",everything we hear is hardly the truth anyway,even down to the actual figures($$$)   Also,I get the notion that President Trump is really having a tough time with this one because I believe he has every intention of keeping his campaign promises,I can certainly see both sides......6 of one & half a dozen of the other,lol     In either case he will "lose face",either from his supporters or from everyone else .....isn't that being between a rock & a hard place? I wouldn't want to be in his position right now or any other time,let us pray he is seeking Gods Direction for America

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/02/us/politics/climate-change-trump.html?_r=0

                                                                                                  With love-in Christ,Kwik

[SavedByGrace1981]

I see your point kwikphilly, and it's a valid one.)

On one hand it's follow the campaign promise; on the other it's listen to the 'experts' and 'establishment'. Whatever he does he will make a sizable number of people upset.  A classic d****ed if you do; d****ed if you don't situation.  But that's what being POTUS is all about.

We live in a time when establishment group think tells us that the climate is changing and it's man's fault.  Geniuses like Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio jet around the world - eating up millions of gallons of jet fuel - to lecture the rest of us that we only have a few years left before our planet is uninhabitable.

It's been said 'green is the new red'.  What that means is that in the past, the reds (communists) were the bogeymen.  (never mind that now there are probably more communists in DC than in Moscow).

Now its 'climate change, nee global warming' (promoted by the 'greens') that will kill us.

All this is promoted by the 'usual suspects' - i.e. globalists, idle billionaires, celebrities, power mad politicians.

And the motivation is as old as mankind itself - greed and lust for power and control.  Follow the money.  There's no money to be made in saying 'well yes, but the climate has ALWAYS been changing.  Well before mankind had fossil fuel technology.'

The ideological, conservative position should be to pull out of these accords and let the chips fall where they may.  Pull out, because it's the right thing to do.

But Mr. Trump is not an ideological conservative (though part of the hatred toward him stems from the misconception that he is).  So what he will do is unpredictable.

Blessings,

-Ed

[Guest shiloh357]

The US cannot be held hostage by the rest of the world and be expected to pay for everything.   What will happen is that we will end up bearing the cost for this and for NATO and everything else.  They are spending all their money on social programs and if they have to be on proportionately equal ground with us, that's less money for their governments to spend on socialism.

It's like having full grown kids still expecting their parents to pay for dinner when they go out eat.