Europe Fights Back with Candles and Teddy Bears

[Guest shiloh357]

• Europe still has not realized that the terror which struck its metropolis was a war, and not the mistake of a few disturbed people who misunderstood the Islamic religion.

• We are apparently not ready to abandon our masochistic rules of engagement, which privilege the enemy's people over our own.

• It appears that for Europe, Islamic terrorism is not real, but only a momentary disruption of its routine. We fight against global warming, malaria and hunger in Africa. But are we not ready to fight for our civilization? Have we already given up?

This long and sad list is the human harvest of Islamic terrorism on Europe's soil:

Madrid: 191. London: 58. Amsterdam: 1. Paris: 148. Brussels: 36. Copenhagen: 2. Nice: 86. Stockholm: 4. Berlin: 12. Manchester: 22. And it does not take into account the hundreds of Europeans butchered abroad, in Bali, in Sousse, in Dakka, in Jerusalem, in Sharm el Sheikh, in Istanbul.

But after 567 victims of terror, Europe still does not understand. Just the first half of 2017 has seen terror attacks attempted in Europe every nine days on average. Yet, despite this Islamist offensive, Europe is fighting back with teddy bears, candles, flowers, vigils, Twitter hashtags and cartoons.

After 9/11 and 2,996 victims, the U.S. under George W. Bush rose to the fight. The United States and a few brave European allies, such as the UK, Italy and Spain, proved themselves "the stronger horse". Islamic warriors were thrown on the defensive; Jihadist recruits dropped off and dozens of terror plots were disrupted. But that response did not last. Europe quickly retreated into its own homefront, while the Islamists carried the war onto Europe's soil: Madrid, London, Theo van Gogh...

Since then, the situation has only become worse: a simple calculation shows that we went from one attack every two years to one attack every nine days. Take just the last six months: Berlin, London, Stockholm, Paris and now Manchester.

Europe has still not realized that the terror which struck its metropolis was a war, and not the mistake of a few disturbed people who misunderstood the Islamic religion. Today there are more British Muslims in the ranks of ISIS than in the British Armed Forces. According with Alexandre Mendel, author of the book Jihadist France, there are more violent Salafists in France than regular soldiers in the Swedish army.

Thirteen years after the attack on Madrid's trains, Europe's leaders read from the same script: hiding the images of pain, so as not to scare anyone; concealing that the Islamist attackers are "made in Europe" insiders; repeating that "Islam is a religion of peace"; being prisoners inside our liberties; watching them removed one-by-one while we proclaiming that "we will not change our lifestyle"; and eradicating the fundamentals of our civilization -- freedom of expression, freedom of thought, freedom of movement, freedom of religion -- the entire basis, in fact, of the Judeo-Christian West.

Radical Islam is the greatest threat to Europe since Nazism and Soviet Communism. But we still have not been inclined to question any of the political or ideological pillars that have led to the current disaster, such as multiculturalism and mass immigration. Hard counter-terrorism measures, the only ones that could break the terrorists' plans and morale, have never been taken. These would include shutting down mosques, deporting radical imams, banning foreign funding of mosques, closing toxic non-governmental organizations, draining the welfare financing of Europe's jihadists, refraining from flirting with jihadists, and stopping foreign fighters from returning home from the battlefront.

We treat war and genocide as if they are simply mistakes made by our intelligence agencies.

We dismiss radical Islam as the "mental illness" of a few disturbed people. Meanwhile, every week, two new Salafist mosques are opened in France, while radical Islam is preached in more than 2,300 French mosques. Thousands of European Muslims have gone off to wage jihad in Syria and Iraq, and fundamentalists are taking control of mosques and Islamic centers. In Brussels, all the mosques are controlled by the Salafists, who are disseminating radical Islam to the Muslim masses.

Read more at:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10430/terrorism-candles-teddy-bears

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, Badjao33 said:

The answer to all of this insanity: 

"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." (Romans 12:21)

"Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you." (Luke 6:27-28)

It's time for governments to get tough on Islam and ban Islam from civilized nations.   You are conflating what the Bible describes as the Christian response to personal insults and those who wrong us in interpersonal relationships with the role of government, foreign policy and the constitutional role of the US government to protect its citizens from the threats of Islam.  It is the biblical role of the government to wield the sword.

The liberal approach always emboldens the terrorists and only creates more victims and more terrorism.   The way to defeat terrorism is to make the price for terrorism higher than the terrorists want to pay.

 

[OneLight]

16 minutes ago, Badjao33 said:

We've seen how well that approach has worked since the "war on terrorism" began following 9/11. 

The only thing I can agree about your post is that lobbing a few bombs never stops the enemy, it only slows them down a little, giving them time to regroup.  People have forgotten what war is about.  It is about removing the enemy so they can do no more harm.  War is so gruesome and ugly people don't like to think of war as war.   War is not a lot of words thought to change the heart of the enemy.

[Guest shiloh357]

30 minutes ago, Badjao33 said:

We've seen how well that approach has worked since the "war on terrorism" began following 9/11. 

 

No, we have not seen that approach at all.   Since the war on terror has begun, we have done little to really make the terrorists pay a high enough price.  The liberal approach has only made things worse, up to this point.   The way to win is to respond with such ferocity that your enemy despairs of continued conflict.   Until we inflict enough pain to the point that we have them on their knees begging us to stop and willing to do whatever we demand to bring the conflict to an end, terrorism will continue rule the roost.

We have never gotten to that point, though.  We don't have the courage, as a nation, to actually stop terrorism.  It's the contagion of liberalism that will always ensure that we are held hostage to terrorism.

[Running Gator]

4 hours ago, Badjao33 said:

The answer to all of this insanity: 

"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." (Romans 12:21)

"Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you." (Luke 6:27-28)

Amen! 

[Guest shiloh357]

3 minutes ago, Badjao33 said:

This is an easy statement to make if you are not on the receiving end of what the west has unleashed on countries in Northern Africa, The Middle East, and parts of Asia for the past 15 years. I would also not consider dropping more than 50,000 bombs over the past two years alone simply "lobbing a few bombs". Those 50,000 are only counting bombs dropped by the US. It does not include the thousands more dropped by coalition forces. 

Most of those were dropped on empty buildings.  And most of our attacks have been nothing but pin pricks due to Obama's lousy rules of engagement.

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We have done little really to make the terrorist pay a high enough price? What more are you suggesting we try?

I suggest we try actually killing them and their families and their training facilities and their weapons depots and actually making the Muslim world pay a heavy price for funding them and training them and giving them weapons, aid, comfort shelter, encouragement and inspiration.

 

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You are correct in a way, we haven't made the terrorist pay a price at all, instead, we have been doing a lot of the work for them. The reaction from the west is exactly what they wanted and we played right into their hands. Returning violence with violence in an effort to defeat terrorism never works. It only increases terrorism and the past 16 years prove this without a doubt. 

Violence does work when it is aimed at the right targets.   Our problem is that we hit empty buildings and the Obama administration was always broadcasting to the enemy what we were going to do, well them and the liberal media complex. 

It's what happens when you have liberals in charge who want to control the military rather than letting the Admirals and Generals do their job and kill the terrorists.

[Running Gator]

If only those advocating for more violence would be willing to put on a pair of combat boots and go be the deliverer of such violence.

[Guest shiloh357]

5 minutes ago, Badjao33 said:

What about the seven years that President Bush lead the war on terrorism? 

 

Yeah, he wasn't really much better.   Besides, you can't fight a war on terrorism; you need to fight a war agaisnt terrorists.   Bush started the "war on terror"  but he wasn't really serious about it.  I disagreed with Bush going into Iraq.   We should have hit Saudi Arabia and Syria and Iran.  They are the major suppliers of terrorism around the world.

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So we should do exactly what the terrorist want us to do? 

No, because the terrorists want us to die.  What we should do is kill them or at least inflict enough pain that they will  find terrorism to be overrated and choose not to continue down the road.  Barring that, Muslims are the enemy.  They make no secret about that.  They hate us and we need to take them seriously.  Even if they don't don a bomb belt or pick up a machine gun, they support the ones who do.  They share the same ideology and desire the same outcome against us even if they don't participate in the same methods.  

And they bank on western stupidity and naivete.

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Rather than make the "Muslim world" pay as you suggest, we are going to have to do the opposite and unite with our Muslim neighbors if we are ever going to win this war against terrorism. 

No, the Muslim world is supplying and training and funding terrorism.  Islam is nothing but a death cult and it needs to be treated that way.   They want to conquer us and make the world Islam.  

Serving them punch and cookies and attempting to befriend them doesn't work.

The liberal Jews in Israel, several years ago, learned the hard way about Muslims.   They stood in solidarity with the Palestinians.  They marched arm-in-arm with the Palestinians against Israeli villages in the Gaza and West Bank, they sponsored rallies and gave speeches and really stood up for the Palestinians.   Their hope was that by showing love and solidarity that it would stop the ongoing terrorism, that the Palestinians would see them as friends and not as enemies and their solidarity would bring peace.

But the same liberal Jews  were later shot on their  streets, bombed in the buses, blown up in restaurants by suicide bombers, their children were shredded by pipe bombs, young kids were blown up in pizza restaurants and at malls in the more liberal, progressive cities of Israel.   They discovered that no matter how much love they showed the Muslims, at the end of the day, they were still Jews and were still seen as illegal occupiers.  They were "useful idiots" as the Muslims like put it.  They had no intention of honoring any peaceful gestures offered by the Jews of Israel, no matter how sincere they were.   The Muslims had no intention of living in peace with the Jews.  Peace would only come when the Jews were annihilated, as far as the Palestinians were concerned.

So, the truth is that you can't trust the Muslims, they're your friend one day and your enemy the next.

[OneLight]

2 hours ago, Badjao33 said:

This is an easy statement to make if you are not on the receiving end of what the west has unleashed on countries in Northern Africa, The Middle East, and parts of Asia for the past 15 years. I would also not consider dropping more than 50,000 bombs over the past two years alone simply "lobbing a few bombs". Those 50,000 are only counting bombs dropped by the US. It does not include the thousands more dropped by coalition forces.

I was in the military during the Vietnam war, or should I say governmental police action.  War is war.  It is when one spreads the battles over into years that it becomes more devastating then it need be.  Have you bothered to count the bullets fired also?  I'd like to know how you would fight a war?

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, Badjao33 said:

Your opinion of Islam aside, wouldn't a battle against such an ideology be fought better spiritually rather than worldly?  

Nope.

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Shouldn't the Church be doing more to evangelize the Muslim world?

Yes.

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Instead of continuing the old way (ie. bombing the s**t out of them), maybe the Church should start working hand in hand with government and non-government organizations to start improving infrastructure, building schools, medical facilities, and providing livelihood and job opportunities to residents in conflict areas where terrorist organizations do most of their recruiting.

None of that will work.   Israel built schools and hospitals and several housing districts for the Palestinians.  They went into Arab villages that had nothing but a trench in the middle of the street for a "sewer"  and built modern sewer systems and sewage treatment facilities.  They built a school for blind children in Gaza.   When Israel took over administrative control of both Gaza and West Bank, they were able to cure children of diseases and the Palestinian life expectancy almost doubled.  Israel now provides universal health care for the Palestinians on the Israeli taxpayer's dime.

They allowed the Palestinians full citizenship in Israel, allowed the Palestinians to start businesses and enjoy a higher standard of living than they would ever had under Jordan or Egypt.  In fact, Arabs in Israel enjoy more liberty and freedom than exists anywhere else in the Arab world.

Guess what Israel got in return for all of that?   They got two intifadas, they got blown up with suicide bombers on buses, playgrounds in malls and on back roads.  They got rocket and mortar fire raining down on them.  They have undergone more than one war aimed at their annihilation.  

That's what you get in return for bending over backwards to help Muslims.  They stab you in the back. 

The terrorists are not suffering from a lack of opporunity or jobs.   The terrorists, the majority of them, have come from wealthy families.  The Orland shooter, the San Bernardino shooters, The Fort Hood shooter, the 9/11 terrorists were not poor, and were well educated, particularly Mohammed Atta, the leader of the group.   We have several terrorists that are, in some cases, educated in the US and hail from rich families.   The liberals try to paint a picture of poor disgruntled victims of the west when they talk about these terrorists, but the information on the ground contradicts the narrative that liberals try to sell like snake oil.

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Rather than demonizing the faith of 2 billion inhabitants of the planet, couldn't the Church be doing a better job at winning the hearts and minds of these people rather than pushing them away?

We're not pushing anyone away.   Islam is a demonic cult and its members are thoroughly brainwashed from infancy to hate us just because we exist.  And that hate goes back

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Shouldn't members of the Church stop spreading hate on the internet and other forms of media? That includes all the insulting stuff about Muslims and their prophet Muhammad. What it comes down to is respecting others and being a decent human being. Decent people do not go around belittling others and insulting them regardless of what makes them different. Those who are doing this are aiding groups like ISIS in their recruiting efforts and are on the wrong side of the fence in this war. 

Respect is a two-way street.  I don't respect Islam and I don't respect those who follow an ideology that sees me as an infidel, and sees me and those like me as worthy of death simply because I am not a Muslim.  Respect is earned.  It is not a gift that I in any am obligated to give them.   While people like you whine and blather about "insults"   Innocent people all over the world are slaughtered every day by this bloodthirsty, demonic death cult. 

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All the leaders of groups like ISIS have to do is go to Facebook or a forum similar to this to show what people are posting and they have all the proof they need to show potential recruits that the Christians in the west hate Muslims and want to destroy them. 

They were hating us and wanting to murder us long before the Internet ever came into existing.  They were recruiting quite handily when Islam wasn't on anyone's radar.  So trying to blame Christians is simply not going to hold water.   We are responding to and correctly identifying their hatred of us. 

 

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Wanting to kill family members and anyone else in the Muslim world who happens to be in the way as you suggest is not at all what Jesus would want from His followers.

The families is where they recruit from. That's why you take out the families of the terrorists.   You make the price higher than they want to pay. When the families start paying the price and when the terrorist see what will happen to their families if they commit terrorism, it will begin to have an effect on their recruiting.

 

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In wanting to go to war with the Muslim world, you are condemning them all to an eternity separated from God.

They called down the thunder.   They are at war with us.   This is a war they want with the west.  And if it's a war they want, it's a war they will get and they will lose.

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Our hearts should morn more for the Muslims who are dying in this world from terrorism and the misguided wars that have resulted from these evil acts than our Christian brothers and sisters. Believing Church members who suffer at the hands of terrorism and war will find themselves in Heaven and we will see them again. The same can not be said for the countless unbelievers who find themselves on the receiving end of our bombing campaigns. 

War is an ugly necessity.   And there is no such thing as sanitary war.   It's not a war we want, but it is a war we can take to them.   I served in the military and I understand to some degree the issues surrounding going to war. 

 

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We have to realize that members of the Church and the countries they live in have always been and always will be persecuted, mocked and in many cases many will be killed, but even then Jesus commands all of us as believers to love our neighbor, even if our neighbor does not love us.

This isn't about mockery and persecution.  This is about terrorists and those who bank roll and fund them committing acts of war on us and the role of the government to protect it's  citizens from those attacks.   You are misusing Scripture to run interference for Islam and for the terrorists and that is both disgraceful and inappropriate.

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We as Christians should be the voices of calling for understanding, tolerance, justice and forgiveness in times like these, not the voices calling for war. 

No, that is not what we should be calling for.  That's what liberals want because Islam is the only religion they will defend. 

 

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How many Muslims do you associate with on a regular basis or befriended over the years? 

I don't associate with any of them and never would.   I have never met a liberal or a Muslim I ever liked.