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6 hours ago, inchrist said:

No the sad thing is to believe in sinners rather than the 24 elders

Also

So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the wilderness,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it.For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

See you tell me christ is there in the 6th seal.....i dont see lightning there. Scripture tells me not to believe you.

You do seem to have a hang up on lightning. Just so you know, when He comes as shown in Rev. 19, it will be DARK perhaps for several days. He will light up the sky AS lightning.

Paul does not tell us He will come to a world of darkness for the rapture. You would have to imagine that.

You don't have to believe me. You can ignore Luke 21:36 and you can be left behind. I really don't care. But after you are left behind, you will remember these posts.  Have you read Isaiah 2 yet? He is not there IN the 6th seal. He comes FOR His church just before the 6th seal. John did not see these things take place: all he saw was the CHURCH safely in heaven in chapter 7. I doubt if you will be in that group. But that is only my opinion.

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10 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

You do seem to have a hang up on lightning. Just so you know, when He comes as shown in Rev. 19, it will be DARK perhaps for several days. He will light up the sky AS lightning.

Paul does not tell us He will come to a world of darkness for the rapture. You would have to imagine that.

You don't have to believe me. You can ignore Luke 21:36 and you can be left behind. I really don't care. But after you are left behind, you will remember these posts.  Have you read Isaiah 2 yet? He is not there IN the 6th seal. He comes FOR His church just before the 6th seal. John did not see these things take place: all he saw was the CHURCH safely in heaven in chapter 7. I doubt if you will be in that group. But that is only my opinion.

Christ will no return until 777

Please show where Christ returns before the 6th seal trump and vial

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10 minutes ago, inchrist said:

Well everything has been just your opinion, with no scriptual support or understanding.

Thats another one of your opinions.

When Christ tells you 

For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

I would suggest pay attention.

At the last trumpet of revelation

Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.

Look what also occurs

The time has come for judging the dead

There is a difference between truth and myth. Some here are so good, they can almost make myth seem truth.  However, there are things you simply cannot change to prove your side of this:

1. You cannot move that great crowd John saw in Rev. 19 to some other place in the book: for example, between chapter 19 and chapter 20, or somewhere in chapter 2o. No, John saw this great crowd of believers IN HEAVEN before any kind of end time "tribulation" has come.

2. You cannot move the marriage and supper to earth or even to the air above the earth. It will be IN HEAVEN at the time John declares the time has come. The truth is, posttribbers have never been able to successfully get the raptured church back to heaven for the marriage.

3. No posttribber (or any one else for that matter) has ever proved that Paul's last trump is the 7th trump of Revelation. No one ever will, either. It isn't.

For pretrib, the great crowd is seen in heaven BEFORE the 70th week begins at the 7th seal. CHECK!

For pretrib, the Bride of Christ is ALREADY IN HEAVEN for the marriage and supper. CHECK!

For pretrib, Paul's last trump is - without any doubt - the last trumpet blast at the Feast of trumpets. Take your pick: either in heaven or in Jerusalem. I suspect heaven is very aware of the trumpet blasts at the Feast of Trumpets every year in Jerusalem.  Paul's "last trump" could very well be sounded in Jerusalem and in the sky as Jesus descends.  It WILL BE the final trumpet blast of the church age, for the pretrib rapture will END the church age.

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2 hours ago, inchrist said:

Im not post trib im pre bowl....

 

The same points apply.

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On 6/6/2017 at 8:40 PM, missmuffet said:

This would support the rapture of the Church before the seven year tribulation

Wow, what a nice surprise! Not many people know about Psalm 27:5. But "hide" is the precise term God uses to describe the elects in Christ escaping His wrath kept safe in heaven during His time of judgment. 

The parallel verses to Psalm 27:5 are mentioned in Isaiah 26:20 and Zephaniah 2:1-3. Feel free to cross reference them in the future next time you tell others about Psalm 27:5.

 

Psalm 27:5 New King James Version (NKJV)

For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.

 

 

Isaiah 26:19-27:1 New King James Version (NKJV)

19 Your dead shall live;
Together with my dead body they shall arise.
Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust;
For your dew is like the dew of herbs,
And the earth shall cast out the dead.

20 Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.


21 For behold, the Lord comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.

27:1 In that day the Lord with His severe sword, great and strong,
Will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent,
Leviathan that twisted serpent;
And He will slay the reptile that is in the sea.

 

 

Zephaniah 2:1-3 New King James Version (NKJV)

Gather yourselves together, yes, gather together,
O undesirable nation,


Before the decree is issued,
Or the day passes like chaff,
Before the Lord’s fierce anger comes upon you,
Before the day of the Lord’s anger comes upon you!


Seek the Lord, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the Lord’s anger.

 

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On 8/27/2017 at 5:29 PM, Psalms37:4 said:

Wow, what a nice surprise! Not many people know about Psalm 27:5. But "hide" is the precise term God uses to describe the elects in Christ escaping His wrath kept safe in heaven during His time of judgment. 

The parallel verses to Psalm 27:5 are mentioned in Isaiah 26:20 and Zephaniah 2:1-3. Feel free to cross reference them in the future next time you tell others about Psalm 27:5.

 

Psalm 27:5 New King James Version (NKJV)

For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.

 

 

Isaiah 26:19-27:1 New King James Version (NKJV)

19 Your dead shall live;
Together with my dead body they shall arise.
Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust;
For your dew is like the dew of herbs,
And the earth shall cast out the dead.

20 Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.


21 For behold, the Lord comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.

27:1 In that day the Lord with His severe sword, great and strong,
Will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent,
Leviathan that twisted serpent;
And He will slay the reptile that is in the sea.

 

 

Zephaniah 2:1-3 New King James Version (NKJV)

Gather yourselves together, yes, gather together,
O undesirable nation,


Before the decree is issued,
Or the day passes like chaff,
Before the Lord’s fierce anger comes upon you,
Before the day of the Lord’s anger comes upon you!


Seek the Lord, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the Lord’s anger.

Shalom, Psalms37:4.

Actually, there's a BETTER understanding of this 27th Psalm:

Psalm 27:1-14

27 1(0) By David:

(1) Adonai is my light and salvation;
whom do I need to fear?
Adonai is the stronghold of my life;
of whom should I be afraid?

2 When evildoers assailed me
to devour my flesh,
my adversaries and foes,
they stumbled and fell.
3 If an army encamps against me,
my heart will not fear;

if war breaks out against me,
even then I will keep trusting. 

4 Just one thing have I asked of Adonai;
only this will I seek:
to live in the house of Adonai
all the days of my life,
to see the beauty of Adonai and visit in his temple.

5 For he will conceal me in his shelter
on the day of trouble,
he will hide me in the folds of his tent,
he will set me high on a rock.

6 Then my head will be lifted up
above my surrounding foes,
and I will offer in his tent
sacrifices with shouts of joy;
I will sing, sing praises to Adonai.

7 Listen, Adonai, to my voice when I cry;
show favor to me; and answer me.
8 “My heart said of you, ‘Seek my face.’”
Your face, Adonai, I will seek.
9 Do not hide your face from me,
don’t turn your servant away in anger.
You are my help; don’t abandon me;
don’t leave me, God my savior.

10 Even though my father and mother have left me,
Adonai will care for me.
11 Teach me your way, Adonai;
lead me on a level path
because of my enemies —  
12 don’t give me up to the whims of my foes;
for false witnesses have risen against me,
also those who are breathing violence. 

13 If I hadn’t believed that I would see
Adonai’s goodness in the land of the living, . . .  
14 Put your hope in Adonai, be strong,
and let your heart take courage!

Yes, put your hope in Adonai
CJB

This is about the TABERNACLE, God's TENT where David came to worship before his son, Shlomoh (Solomon) built the Temple! This is not some universally applied statement that is applicable for every future situation. This is a poem that was written when the Tabernacle was the central figure in the new Kingdom of Israel.

Remember: David was often in hiding from Sha'uwl haMelekh (Saul the King) before David became the King and was promised an eternal dynasty.

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On 6/6/2017 at 0:42 AM, missmuffet said:

Psalm 27:5 For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.

:) amen, we can make it us instead of me. Because we are one body.

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11 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Psalms37:4.

Actually, there's a BETTER understanding of this 27th Psalm:

Psalm 27:1-14

27 1(0) By David:

(1) Adonai is my light and salvation;
whom do I need to fear?
Adonai is the stronghold of my life;
of whom should I be afraid?

2 When evildoers assailed me
to devour my flesh,
my adversaries and foes,
they stumbled and fell.
3 If an army encamps against me,
my heart will not fear;

if war breaks out against me,
even then I will keep trusting. 

4 Just one thing have I asked of Adonai;
only this will I seek:
to live in the house of Adonai
all the days of my life,
to see the beauty of Adonai and visit in his temple.

5 For he will conceal me in his shelter
on the day of trouble,
he will hide me in the folds of his tent,
he will set me high on a rock.

6 Then my head will be lifted up
above my surrounding foes,
and I will offer in his tent
sacrifices with shouts of joy;
I will sing, sing praises to Adonai.

7 Listen, Adonai, to my voice when I cry;
show favor to me; and answer me.
8 “My heart said of you, ‘Seek my face.’”
Your face, Adonai, I will seek.
9 Do not hide your face from me,
don’t turn your servant away in anger.
You are my help; don’t abandon me;
don’t leave me, God my savior.

10 Even though my father and mother have left me,
Adonai will care for me.
11 Teach me your way, Adonai;
lead me on a level path
because of my enemies —  
12 don’t give me up to the whims of my foes;
for false witnesses have risen against me,
also those who are breathing violence. 

13 If I hadn’t believed that I would see
Adonai’s goodness in the land of the living, . . .  
14 Put your hope in Adonai, be strong,
and let your heart take courage!

Yes, put your hope in Adonai
CJB

This is about the TABERNACLE, God's TENT where David came to worship before his son, Shlomoh (Solomon) built the Temple! This is not some universally applied statement that is applicable for every future situation. This is a poem that was written when the Tabernacle was the central figure in the new Kingdom of Israel.

Remember: David was often in hiding from Sha'uwl haMelekh (Saul the King) before David became the King and was promised an eternal dynasty.

You have to read the preceding verses to understand what David was talking about, particularly verse 4 where David reveals his desire to be in the house of God in heaven where His palace and temple are located. Not in some earthly tent made of cloth.

Here's what you wrote:

3 If an army encamps against me,
my heart will not fear;

if war breaks out against me,
even then I will keep trusting. 

4 Just one thing have I asked of Adonai;
only this will I seek:
to live in the house of Adonai
all the days of my life,
to see the beauty of Adonai and visit in his temple.

5 For he will conceal me in his shelter
on the day of trouble,
he will hide me in the folds of his tent,

he will set me high on a rock.

 

Verse 4 clearly indicates God's place in heaven is where David will be taken up to during a time of trouble, not some earthly facility such as a tent. The tent in verse 5 is figuratively referring to God Himself as a shelter of protection, not some portable shelter made of cloth.

This is a poetic prophecy just like many other end time prophecies written in Psalms describing a Pre-Trib rapture and the Second Coming of Christ.

 

Psalm 27:1-5 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

27 Lord, you are my Light and my Savior,
    so why should I be afraid of anyone?
The Lord is where my life is safe,
    so I will be afraid of no one!
Evil people might attack me.
    They might try to destroy my body.
Yes, my enemies might attack me and try to destroy me,
    but they will stumble and fall.
Even if an army surrounds me, I will not be afraid.
    Even if people attack me in war, I will trust in the Lord.

I ask only one thing from the Lord.
    This is what I want most:
Let me live in the Lord’s house all my life,
    enjoying the Lord’s beauty
    and spending time in his palace.

He will protect me when I am in danger.
    He will hide me in his tent.
    He will take me up to his place of safety.

 

 

 

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5 For he will conceal me in his shelter
on the day of trouble,
he will hide me in the folds of his tent,

he will set me high on a rock.

More evidence verse 5 is about a place in heaven as "high on a rock" is a literal description of God's mansion in heaven set high atop a great and high mountain on Mount Zion in the heavenly Jerusalem.

Revelation 21:10 New King James Version (NKJV)

10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

 

During the tribulation, as a result of the nuclear war in the Middle East, God will transform the topography of Jerusalem and the surrounding areas to resemble more closely to the heavenly Jerusalem. Mount Zion, where the millennium temple will be built and Christ will reign will be elevated high above on a mountain overlooking the surrounding cities of Jerusalem.

 

Zechariah 14:9-10 New King James Version (NKJV)

And the Lord shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be—
“The Lord is one,”
And His name one.

10 All the land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Benjamin’s Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king’s winepresses.

 

Isaiah 2:2-3 New King James Version (NKJV)

Now it shall come to pass in the latter days
That the mountain of the Lord’s house
Shall be established on the top of the mountains,
And shall be exalted above the hills;

And all nations shall flow to it.
Many people shall come and say,
“Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
To the house of the God of Jacob;

He will teach us His ways,
And we shall walk in His paths.”
For out of Zion shall go forth the law,
And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

 

 

 

 

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