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1 hour ago, inchrist said:

Lucky for me im not Persian or Gnostic. So good luck with that. Ill stick with Hebrew understanding.

Clearly it is for you, your interpretation of this verse is superficially materialistic, is your life that poor that a mansion is a status for you, that you wish to rub it in the faces who wont get one? 

Your interpretation on John 14:2 rests on a false assumption, which can not be shown to exist anywhere in scripture particularly Revelation, with the images of saints in heaven and still no mansion.

Given enlight that John 14:23 prohibits your superficial usage of the word mansion.

Yet the context is in agreememt with me on what scripture actually teaches, than some gnostic idea.

Ye also, as lively [living] stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. (I Peter 2:5)

We mansion in God and God mansions in us. Better command of the language We abide in God and God abides in us.

Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge.

Here are your many mansions, living stones built up as spiritual houses (mansions).....THAT is status and wealth.

See the differemce between imagination and scriptual reality?

One can be proven by scripture, the other can't

Just making it to heaven is going to be beyond our wildest imagination.  But we will need a place to call "home" there. That is not materialistic. It is just truth. God chose not to show John any mansions. But at that time, 95 AD, perhaps very few were built.  By verse 23 God had changed the subject.  Many translations show a change in verse 15 with a new heading. Some show verse 7 with a new heading.  Therefore it is not a false assumption. It is the word of God. If we allowed 5th graders to read this passage - those that had been unchurched - my guess is that 100% would take it to mean houses to live in.

What you are saying is indeed truth, but that is not what this passage is about. You are imagining that from other passages. This passage is about housing in heaven. If you wish to ignore all the present day evidence of these homes (of which there is much), that is on you.

Thrones are not houses and houses are not thrones. Neither is judging related to homes.

Sorry, but your preconceived glasses are in the way of you taking this passage for its simplest meaning.

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1 hour ago, inchrist said:

You mean the 24 elders dont...

LORD alone will be exalted in that day

Rev 11

The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,

See Christ exalted.....

 

No, I don't mean the 24 elders. Surely you know that those who trust in the Old Covenant are very well versed in it. Many could quote these "day of the Lord" passages by heart. Therefore, when this great earthquake hits, very well described by Isaiah in chapter 2, they will see this prophecy being fulfilled. Then when they see the signs in the sun and moon, they will have no doubt at all. They know the prophecy in Joel 2 very well too.

It is then very apparent that they will know and you still don't. As John and Isaiah 2 show us, the Day of the Lord will begin with a great earthquake. Then will be the sign in the sun and moon: the sun will turn dark, and the moon will appear blood red.  When these signs are seen with a great earthquake, all that know scripture will know the DAY has come.  Sadly, those will preconceived glasses won't understand.

God most certainly will be exalted in that day, but the exalted God will still give the Beast his 42 months of authority. Don't doubt this! It is scripture!

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On 6/21/2017 at 2:37 AM, Keras said:

It is a bad mistake to quote unverified and biased opinions from anyone, especially commentators who usually have a doctrine to espouse.

Scripture is solidly for EVERYONE to be tested. There is no escape for anyone. Why should there be? Christians thru the age and still today are being tested unto death. What makes this generation exempt?  No, there is plenty of scripture proving we will be tested, you prefer to ignore them, to your discredit.  1 Peter 4:12, Revelation 13:9-10, Romans 8:18, +

 

Commentators frequently give us a hint of what the church has believed down through the centuries. Of course they are not always right, and don't always agree with one another. And on prophecy scripture, most are WAY behind the revelation knowledge available today.  However, some theories of today are SO FAR from Bible reality and what has been believed over the centuries that a quick check of the commentators could allow the readers to immediately detect these wild theories and dismiss them for what they are: too wild to fit any scriptures taken in context.

No escape? Thy telling that to Luke and to the Holy Spirit who caused Luke to write. Readers, note carefully what Luke has written:

Luke 21:36:(English Majority Text from Byzantine Majority text)

Watch therefore, praying always that you may be counted worthy to escape everything that is about to happen, and to stand before the Son of Man."

I understand that preconceived glasses prevent people from believing this verse, but it is true anyway: there IS an escape. Both the Holy Spirit and Luke knew it then, and millions know it now.

"What makes this generation exempt? No one has ever said anyone is exempt from the typical tribulation that comes to all believers (but worse for many born in Middle East nations).  However, this is a moot question because in this generataion will come the Day of the Lord - a time unlike any time in the past, where God will judge the nations of the world, with His poured out wrath. And Luke is telling us there IS an escape from this time on earth. And Paul confirms this by telling us that God will set no appointments for us with this time of wrath.

1 Peter 4:12   That was clearly about the days Peter lived. It has nothing to do with the future, when God's wrath is poured out. What they lived through was Satan's hatred for the human race - what all believers face.

Revelation 13:9-10 Is specifically about those forced to live through those days of GT in which God has made a way of escape, because they missed it. Readers take note: some will NOT be found worthy to escape. Are YOU praying to be found worthy? It is scripture! It is truth!

Romans 8:18  Paul is not talking about the Day of the Lord time, but rather the current church age.

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3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Luke 21:36:(English Majority Text from Byzantine Majority text)

Watch therefore, praying always that you may be counted worthy to escape everything that is about to happen, and to stand before the Son of Man."

I understand that preconceived glasses prevent people from believing this verse, but it is true anyway: there IS an escape. Both the Holy Spirit and Luke knew it then, and millions know it now.

Luke 21:36 Be on the alert, praying at all times  for the strength to pass safely through all that is coming and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man. Revised English Bible

The 'escape' as you like to think of it, is not removal from the earth, but protection from all that is coming.  Proved by Luke 21:35 that clearly says that great Day [of the Lord's wrath] will come upon everyone the whole world over.

Millions are deceived, including you!

 

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5 hours ago, Keras said:

Luke 21:36 Be on the alert, praying at all times  for the strength to pass safely through all that is coming and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man. Revised English Bible

The 'escape' as you like to think of it, is not removal from the earth, but protection from all that is coming.  Proved by Luke 21:35 that clearly says that great Day [of the Lord's wrath] will come upon everyone the whole world over.

Millions are deceived, including you!

 

That particular translation comes from the Alexandrian manuscript.  It is not the same as the majority text.  I will go with the KJV here, thank you. It follows the majority texts.

For the readers: ask yourself WHERE Jesus went after He ascended: it is where He went to prepare our homes.

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6 hours ago, iamlamad said:

That particular translation comes from the Alexandrian manuscript.  It is not the same as the majority text.  I will go with the KJV here, thank you. It follows the majority texts.

For the readers: ask yourself WHERE Jesus went after He ascended: it is where He went to prepare our homes.

For the readers; The prophecy in Luke 21:34-36 is a warning about the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath. Verse 35 unequivocally states that this Day will come upon everyone the whole world over. To then think that the next verse says some will 'escape', or be taken away from this Day, is anomalous and a Biblical impossibility.  Only those fooled by the rapture theory, have to make it mean what it doesn't.

As for the notion that people will go to live in so called 'mansions' in heaven, this is a fable of fairy tale proportions.  Revelation 21:1-2 plainly states when this city that Jesus is preparing, comes down to earth; AFTER the Millennium, then those found worthy, only after all the trials and testing, will live there.

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3 hours ago, Keras said:

For the readers; The prophecy in Luke 21:34-36 is a warning about the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath. Verse 35 unequivocally states that this Day will come upon everyone the whole world over. To then think that the next verse says some will 'escape', or be taken away from this Day, is anomalous and a Biblical impossibility.  Only those fooled by the rapture theory, have to make it mean what it doesn't.

As for the notion that people will go to live in so called 'mansions' in heaven, this is a fable of fairy tale proportions.  Revelation 21:1-2 plainly states when this city that Jesus is preparing, comes down to earth; AFTER the Millennium, then those found worthy, only after all the trials and testing, will live there.

In fact, that is EXACTLY what it says. The Day of the Lord WILL  come on the whole word. Revelation tells us this. But the fact is, Jesus went to heaven to build us houses, and when we are THERE, we will not be HERE on the world. So it is an ESCAPE God has planned.  In fact, the rapture IS God's escape plan.

Now, every coin has two sides: the other side of this coin is the devil's plan. He is sure, if he can get believers left behind at the pretrib rapture, he will be able to break them down with hardship, and cause them to take the mark and be doomed. That is his plan. So he is going all out in these days days to pull people away from a pretrib rapture belief, so they will be left behind.

Of course, for those left behind, IF they deny the mark and lose their head, they will see their mansions far far into the future. But for those who are expecting His coming soon,   they will escape what is coming, just exactly as Luke tells us.

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1 hour ago, inchrist said:

Really you got flashes of lightening in the 6th seal?

And those were not my words, they were the words of the 24 elders.....so are questioning the 24 elders now?

You must of missed that part when Jesus is to be exalted alone ....not with the beast in shared authority.

Scripture does not say the kingdom of the earth is now the kingdom of christ and the beast.

 

There is no reason to go on. You just make up theory and then try and make it fit. It is clear you still don't recognize what happens at the 6th seal as the fulfillment of Isaiah 2 and Joel 2.  How sad.

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2 hours ago, inchrist said:

No its not, no where is that in any hebrew thought. It is however in Persian and gnosticism.

I dont see angels in any housing estates

Or maybe because it doesnt exist.

It is really OK. If you don't believe in an abode or home for you in heaven, I doubt if Jesus will build you one.  In fact, if you don't believe He is coming first FOR His bride, I doubt if you will even hear the trumpet. Jesus is coming for those who are expecting His coming.

The bride will be there for 7 plus years. We will have a place to call "home" there. Jesus went to build them for us. There are many personal testimonies of believers who have seen these mansions. It is only your loss if you don't read them. In fact, there are multiplied millions of believers there NOW in spirit form. Do you imagine they sleep or rest on a cloud?

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12 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

 

 

There is no reason to go on. You just make up theory and then try and make it fit. It is clear you still don't recognize what happens at the 6th seal as the fulfillment of Isaiah 2 and Joel 2.  How sad.

I do agree with you on this.  The great and terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, is described over 100 times in the Bible. It will be the Sixth seal event, that will come upon the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich the captains, every bondman every free person; Rev 6:15, in other words everybody on earth, just as Luke 21:35 says.

There is no hint of anyone being raptured before this event. Why should they be?  Who are you to think you are worthy to avoid this Judgement?

Also, the Sixth Seal is the next prophesied thing to happen, It will be several years before the last 7 years.

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