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No Bible basis for a 70 week period at the end of time or a "70th" week at the end of time


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1 hour ago, OneLight said:

If there is no more sin, how is it when Satan is released a the end of the Millennium, how can he gather such a great army if there is no more sin?

As per Israel, the prophecy is about Israel. This is also speaking about "Daily sins" not the sins of a nation per the Hebrew meaning. But off course Jesus can come, lock Satan in the pit, and Daily sins end at the End of the 70th Week, then Jesus releases Satan a 1000 years later, and men follow him. That of course changes things. Jesus still would have brought about an end to daily sins for his 1000 year Reign, at the end of the 70th Week. 

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4 hours ago, Keras said:

I have to object to the idea that Israel, the Jewish people, will receive a special salvation from God. I am not 'anti-Semitic',  I only feel sad for those who refuse to accept Jesus' salvation, which is on offer now; there will be no further chance later.  

 

Israel comes to God via accepting Jesus so HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT? 

4 hours ago, Keras said:

The idea of the Jews calling upon their Messiah and being saved, isn't in the Bible, it is just a construct of the 'rapture to heaven' of the Church believers. Those people currently living in a part of the holy Land, followers of the Judaism religion: which is far removed from the worship that God originally gave them, are also atheists, LBGT people and false religion worshippers. They are all prophesied to be judged and punished, only a remnant will survive to join their Christian brethren.   Romans 9:27, Isaiah 22:14, Jeremiah 10:18, Luke 19:27, +

Sure it is, Malachi 4:5-6, Rev. 12, Zechariah 12:10, 13:1 and Zechariah chapter 14, Isaiah states all Israel will be Saved. The Remnant clearly is identified as the CHURCH the WOMAN is Israel. 

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42 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

 Isaiah states all Israel will be Saved. 

 

Isaiah 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day
That the remnant of Israel,
And such as have escaped of the house of Jacob
,
Will never again depend on him who defeated them,
But will depend on the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
21 The remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob,
To the Mighty God.
22 For though your people, O Israel, be as the sand of the sea,
A remnant of them will return
;
The destruction decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
23 For the Lord God of hosts
Will make a determined end
In the midst of all the land.

 

Zechariah 13:7 “Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd,
Against the Man who is My Companion,”
Says the Lord of hosts.
“Strike the Shepherd,
And the sheep will be scattered;
Then I will turn My hand against the little ones.
8 And it shall come to pass in all the land,”
Says the Lord,
That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die,
But one–third shall be left in it:
9 I will bring the one–third through the fire
,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, ‘This is My people’;
And each one will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’

 

No, not all according to Isaiah and Zechariah, not even half.

God bless

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You will often see a reference to a 70th week at the end of time "inserted" into Revelation, or Matt 24, or 1Thess 4.

None of those chapters mention a "70th week" or the "midst of the week" or any such thing.

In the bible we have these 3 rules

1. All bible timelines are unbroken and contiguous without exception. .Daniel 9:1-7 is a good example withe Jeremiah's 70 years.

2. All Apocalyptic timelines use day-for-year symbolism. Each day is one solar year.

3. Bible authors build on the previous prophetic statements of scripture.

On 6/9/2017 at 10:51 PM, Marilyn C said:

Hi BobRyan,

Not sure where you got those 3 rules from but I believe they are not correct.

1. Isa. 61: 2 `To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God;...`  Clearly over 2000 years space on the timeline.

Isaiah 61:2 is not an apocalyptic timeline of any kind.

If it were - it would be using a day-for-year model. "Acceptable year", "day of vengence" is not a timeline with start and end. Nor is it apocalyptic.

If you were looking for a 2000 year timeline would you really be scattering bits and pieces of that timeline all over History??? That could never work. I think we both know that. Actual Bible timelines are all contiguous.

 

On 6/9/2017 at 10:51 PM, Marilyn C said:

As to the `70th week of years,` you would probably need to do your maths on Daniel 9: 24 - 27.

regards, Marilyn. 

 

Been there... done that.

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1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

As per Israel, the prophecy is about Israel. This is also speaking about "Daily sins" not the sins of a nation per the Hebrew meaning. But off course Jesus can come, lock Satan in the pit, and Daily sins end at the End of the 70th Week, then Jesus releases Satan a 1000 years later, and men follow him. That of course changes things. Jesus still would have brought about an end to daily sins for his 1000 year Reign, at the end of the 70th Week. 

Nobody is saying the prophecy is not about Israel.  What I am addressing is that you say there will be no more sin after Christ returns, and I said there will be.  As far as during the Millennium, scripture is very silent on what that life will be like.  Why would you think there would be no sin?  There will be no more satanic influence, but we still live in the flesh.

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On 6/10/2017 at 2:00 AM, Keras said:

The 70th 'week' of Daniel has not yet happened.

 Turns out that the 70 week (490 day ===>literal 490 year) prophecy ended in the life time of Christ - and is the greatest OT prophecy predicting the first coming of Christ.

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It was not fulfilled in the first century,

 

The 490 year timeline began 457 B.C. and ended in 34 A.D. it correctly predicted the first coming of Christ.

All Bible timelines are contiguous - without exception. Including the 70 year prophecy of Daniel 9:1-8

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1/ Bible timelines can have gaps. Revelation 8:1, the Seventh Seal tells of the 'about 20 year' gap between the Sixth Seal and Jesus' Return.

 

Not true that there is any timeline at all for 6th and 7th seals. We do not imagine something of the form "there shall be 10 years from 5th seal to 7th seal - with 20 years gap inserted into it" no such language in all of Revelation.

 

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On 6/10/2017 at 6:14 AM, Revelation Man said:

Daniel's 70 Week Decree against Israel

In Daniel 9:24, Daniel prophesied that these six things must come to pass before this judgment against Israel would be fulfilled. Some think Jesus fulfilled all of these, most seem to think, as I do, that these things have not come to pass, and when they do that will be the end of the age.[/quote]

 

Misunderstanding the events that are to be confined inside a Bible timeline is never a valid excuse for slicing and dicing the timeine into shreds and scattering it all over Bible history. Rather the fact that all Bible timelines are contiguous as even the 70 years of Daniel 9:1-7 "must be" (and we all know it) - is the clue that such assumptions about events listed or whether they are  confined within the timeiline

 

1. Finish the transgression  (Israel has a limit before it has filled up its 'measure of guilt') and both Christ and Paul claim they reached it inside that 490 years.
2. Make and end of sins  (Sins under probation - ended. All sins since then are after Israel was rejected as God's means of evangelism. Nation Church)
3. To make reconciliation for iniquity  (The Messiah made the atoning sacrifice 1 John 2:2 within that 490 year timeline)
4. Bring in everlasting righteousness  (Christ came - within that 490 timeline)
5. To seal up vision and prophecy  (All predictive prophecy pertaining to Israel ended inside that 490 limit. "behold your house is left to you desolate" Matt 23)
6. Anoint the most Holy  (Jesus went to heaven as our High Priest Hebrews 8:1 and anointed the Heb 9 most holy place in heaven as our High Priest) within that 490 year timeline

And as Heb 10:4-11 says Christ is the one who takes away sacrifices and offerings - inside that 490 year timeline.

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1 hour ago, BobRyan said:

Not true that there is any timeline at all for 6th and 7th seals. We do not imagine something of the form "there shall be 10 years from 5th seal to 7th seal - with 20 years gap inserted into it" no such language in all of Revelation.

It is plain from history, that the first five Seals were opened at Jesus' Ascension. We have had the wars, famines and plagues in plenty. The martyrs of the Fifth Seal are those from Stephen and their number will be completed by the Return of Jesus.

Why is it so hard for people to see that the about a half hour of the Seventh Seal is IN HEAVEN.  Is time to God in heaven the same as for us on earth?  NO; we are told by 2 witnesses, Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 that for God in heaven; the equivalent of one day, is 1000 years earth time.

Simple math - 1/48th of a day = 1/48th of 1000 years.  Half a hour = 20.8 years.  This time period of 'about 20 years', fits all that must happen between the Sixth Seal and Jesus' Return, quite well.

Daniel 12 and Revelation does give us several time periods, they fit the first and the last halves of the final seven years of this Church age. Your denials and wrong teachings, BobRyan, just show how you avoid any scripture that doesn't suit your beliefs.

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3 hours ago, inchrist said:

2Which you've based this off the faulty concept the antichrist signs a covenant with many.

Not entirely.  Don't you think the 1260 days, 42 months and 3 1/2 year periods in Revelation, all describing one or other of the halves of the last 7 years, have significance?

It's just your faulty opinion that that likes to believe that nothing nasty like that will happen in our future.  

 

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20 hours ago, OneLight said:

Nobody is saying the prophecy is not about Israel.  What I am addressing is that you say there will be no more sin after Christ returns, and I said there will be.  As far as during the Millennium, scripture is very silent on what that life will be like.  Why would you think there would be no sin?  There will be no more satanic influence, but we still live in the flesh.

I am going by the scriptures, and as I stated the daily sins or habitual sins will end. Of course they will still live in the flesh, and thus they will need to blood of Christ to cleanse them, of course, it will be like the largest church with the greatest preacher ever leading it, Jesus will be our King. But sins will end, the bible is never wrong. Not ALL SIN will end, even a bad thought of course is sin, or anger at a brother over nothing is sin. That is not what the verse means, which is why I stated daily sins.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins,... The Angel didn't just place this here for no reason. Sins must end, not ALL SINS, but habitual sins will end (Daily Sins). The Hebrew word used there is chatta'ah  it is derived from chatta, From H2398; an offence (sometimes habitual sinfulness), and its penalty, occasion, sacrifice, or expiation; also (concretely) an offender:—punishment (of sin), purifying (-fication for sin), sin (-ner, offering).

I do not know about the rest of the world, but sins will end in Israel. Jesus is King and Lord. People will not willfully sin (Habitually Sin Continually), that is different from being born into sin. Men stop the Habitual sinning, men are of course still of the flesh at that time and are born into sin, and sin at times...BUT... men will not read porn every day, cheat on their wives, lie continually, steal on purpose, go to war, have prejudice of who a brother is, hate others because they look different, etc. etc. etc. Sins will end as we know them today. This world LOVES SIN, Jesus says if you love this world the love of God/Father is not in you. But when Jesus comes to be our Lord and King for 1000 years this world will be beautiful, loving, caring, sweet, honest, etc. etc. No man will sin for the sake of sinning, no men will love sin of any kind, they will despise anything that come against Christ Jesus.

The whole reason for the 1000 year Reign is to bear witness against Satan against his ways and against the men who followed him. For 6000 years we had Satan ruling this world, and men were evil, murdering each other, stealing, lying, cheating, lusting, wars galore etc. etc. etc. For the 1000 years Jesus reigns, there will be none of that, sure w are born into sin, because the men living on this world are still of the SEED of Adam and Eve, but all men will follow the Masters ways. At least in Israel, and I assume all over. 

Daily sins will end, men will not habitually sin, men will not willfully sin. Men are sinners by nature, but sins will end, as we now know them. God will not allow that anymore, when Satan is released, God will destroy the people that follow him with fire. 

You see where we are crossing wires is, we both know men of Adam will still be of the flesh, bit with Jesus leading us, the SINS OF THIS EVIL WORLD as we now know them will end when Jesus comes, they just will, that's not saying sin is not present in our flesh. 

God Bless, I hope that explained it, just saying Daily Sins were going to end was probably not a good enough explanation. Sorry

 

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