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When we look at Matthew 24 we see that Jesus is telling Israel of the beginning of the Day of the Lord, the tribulation. (Day being fig. a period of time and also a 24 hour day)

 `All these are the beginning of travail….`(Matt. 24: 8)

(wars, rumours, nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom, famines, pestilences, earthquakes… Matt. 24: 6 & 7)

Now `travail` means –

  1. The pain of child birth, travail pain, birth pains.

  2. Intolerable anguish, in reference to the dire calamities preceding the advent of the Messiah.

The picture of travail pain indicates that these difficulties will come suddenly (as labour pains) and will intensify throughout the tribulation gaining momentum.

The Lord reveals this also to the Apostle Paul –

`But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you, for you know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.

For when THEY say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labour pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

But you, brethren are not in darkness, so that this day should overtake you as a thief.` ( 1 Thess. 5: 1 – 4)

Thus we see that the believers in the Body of Christ are not in darkness and the Day of the Lord will not overtake them. Those who are in darkness will suddenly be overtaken by all the calamities that the Lord described in Matthew 24 to Israel. The Body of Christ however, will not go through that darkness, for they are `sons of the light.`

 

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2 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

When we look at Matthew 24 we see that Jesus is telling Israel of the beginning of the Day of the Lord, the tribulation. (Day being fig. a period of time and also a 24 hour day)

 `All these are the beginning of travail….`(Matt. 24: 8)

(wars, rumours, nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom, famines, pestilences, earthquakes… Matt. 24: 6 & 7)

Now `travail` means –

  1. The pain of child birth, travail pain, birth pains.

  2. Intolerable anguish, in reference to the dire calamities preceding the advent of the Messiah.

The picture of travail pain indicates that these difficulties will come suddenly (as labour pains) and will intensify throughout the tribulation gaining momentum.

The Lord reveals this also to the Apostle Paul –

`But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you, for you know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.

For when THEY say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labour pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

But you, brethren are not in darkness, so that this day should overtake you as a thief.` ( 1 Thess. 5: 1 – 4)

Thus we see that the believers in the Body of Christ are not in darkness and the Day of the Lord will not overtake them. Those who are in darkness will suddenly be overtaken by all the calamities that the Lord described in Matthew 24 to Israel. The Body of Christ however, will not go through that darkness, for they are `sons of the light.`

 

Even the Elect will go through the trib,they're the reason it was shortened.

Those in the light won't get over taken as the know signs not because of a rapture.

 

Oh,and it's not just Israel whom He's speaking.

The labor pangs is when pain gets closer and closer together you know the baby is about to come.

 

As long as there are wars Christ is not stepping foot on this earth.

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16 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Revelation Man,

Thank you for your thoughts. Perhaps we can look at this point you brought up.

 `But of that day and hour no one knows…` (Matt. 24: 36)

Jesus said that to Israel when He was on earth. However, as we know, Jesus is now at the right hand of the Father, and by His Holy Spirit He reveals this to the Apostle Paul –

``But you brethren are not in darkness, so that this day should overtake you as a thief.`(1 Thess. 5: 4)

The Body of Christ is connected to the Head and we shall know as the day draws near.

Regards, Marilyn.

I will write more later.

That is correct, but "THAT DAY" is the Day of the Lord. No Christian (person of the light) will be overtaken by Darkness because we will not be here, we will be Raptured. NOTICE: 1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. (NOT US, BUT THEM/THEY).

Those that are sleeping are unaware of the Darkness they are in, the Church of Christ is Awake and in the Light (Not of Satan). 

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, { All this is saying is that the Children of the Light (Jesus/God) are not going through the Day of the Lord (Gods Wrath), because we are not of the Darkness (Satan) but of the Light (Jesus). We wont be on the Earth at the time of Gods Wrath nor at the Second Coming, but we will be on the earth at the time of the Rapture. 

AS PER ISRAEL IN JESUS REIGN.....I understand that he will reign from Israel and all Nations will come there to honor him.

Isaiah 66:20 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
 

 

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16 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

When we look at Matthew 24 we see that Jesus is telling Israel of the beginning of the Day of the Lord, the tribulation. (Day being fig. a period of time and also a 24 hour day)

 `All these are the beginning of travail….`(Matt. 24: 8)

(wars, rumours, nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom, famines, pestilences, earthquakes… Matt. 24: 6 & 7)

Now `travail` means –

  1. The pain of child birth, travail pain, birth pains.

  2. Intolerable anguish, in reference to the dire calamities preceding the advent of the Messiah.

The picture of travail pain indicates that these difficulties will come suddenly (as labour pains) and will intensify throughout the tribulation gaining momentum.

I think w are in agreement, but we are passing each other like ships in the night.  Yes, we do not go through the Day of the Lord, Gods Wrath. And yes the pangs are "Signs" that the event is near. But of course that is NOW, we are in the 9th Month and we can see these BIRTH PANGS TODAY, but we will be Raptured before the Tribulation...Day of the Lord/Wrath comes.

  1. Matthew 24:1-6 is about the time from Jesus Death to the 70 AD destruction of the Temple/Jerusalem
  2. Matt. 24:7-13 is about the 2000 some odd years between 70 AD and the Rapture.
  3. Matt. 24:36-42, IMHO, is the Rapture.
  4. Matt. 24:14-28 is the Tribulation/Day of the Lord
  5. Matt. 24:29-31 is the Second Coming
  6. Matt. 24:32-35 is the Parable of the Fig Tree, it shows how ALL of the SIGNS have to come to pass before you can start looking for the Second Coming of the Lord.....These are Signs that must be fulfilled. This means the Sun turning Dark and the Moon turning blood red along with a Great Earthquake, (Joel 2 and Rev. 6) must come to pass before the Lord Returns to save Israel from the Wicked Gentile Ruler (Beast/Anti-Christ). But the Rapture is one of those signs also. As is the Temples/Jerusalem's  destruction, as is the 2000 years of Wars, pestilences, earthquakes, famine, as is the Times of troubles/Jacobs Troubles. When all of these Signs come to pass, then SUMMER IS NEAR.......The Second Coming is Near. 
16 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Thus we see that the believers in the Body of Christ are not in darkness and the Day of the Lord will not overtake them. Those who are in darkness will suddenly be overtaken by all the calamities that the Lord described in Matthew 24 to Israel. The Body of Christ however, will not go through that darkness, for they are `sons of the light.`

TRUE.....We just have to get the Matthew 24 timing right. The PANGS come....then the Rapture and Tribulation HITS at the same time, it has to. Matthew 14, the Gospel is preached unto all the world THEN THE END WILL COME (Tribulation period). The very next verse tells of the Abomination of Desolation and then Israel Fleeing into the Wilderness. You have it right, we are just passing each other by in the dark, as per we believe the same but seem to be not looking at the Rapture at the same timing per Matthew 24. I say Jesus told them, without telling them what it meant, it was meant for the Ministry of Paul. 

God Bless...

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4 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Even the Elect will go through the trib,they're the reason it was shortened.

Those in the light won't get over taken as the know signs not because of a rapture.

It will be SEVEN YEARS.....God doesn't have to reevaluate. What this means is the reason God set it at SEVEN YEARS to start with, is he knew if he didn't, even Israel whom He was protecting would not survive, probably because of all the Nuclear fallout. 

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13 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Even the Elect will go through the trib,they're the reason it was shortened.

Those in the light won't get over taken as the know signs not because of a rapture.

Oh,and it's not just Israel whom He's speaking.

The labor pangs is when pain gets closer and closer together you know the baby is about to come.

As long as there are wars Christ is not stepping foot on this earth.

Hi n2thelight,

You still have to prove who the elect are by other scriptures.

As to the believers, the Body of Christ going through the judgment of God, I think you need a better look at what Christ has done for us - salvation, saved from judgment. Note also that the Body of Christ will be the ones ruling with Christ (in the third heaven) bringing the judgment upon the world system and the fallen angels.

Marilyn.

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9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

That is correct, but "THAT DAY" is the Day of the Lord. No Christian (person of the light) will be overtaken by Darkness because we will not be here, we will be Raptured. NOTICE: 1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. (NOT US, BUT THEM/THEY).

Those that are sleeping are unaware if the Darkness they are in, the Church of Christ is Awake and in the Light (Not of Satan). 

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, { All this is saying is that the Children of the Light (Jesus/God) are not going through the Day of the Lord (Gods Wrath), because we are not of the Darkness (Satan) but of the Light (Jesus). We wont be on the Earth at the time of Gods Wrath nor at the Second Coming, but we will be on the earth at the time of the Rapture. 

AS PER ISRAEL IN JESUS REIGN.....I understand that he will reign from Israel and all Nations will come there to honor him.

Isaiah 66:20 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
 

 

Hi Revelation Man,

Seems we agree there. Great. As to the Lord physically ruling from the earth, you would need scriptures to back that up. His throne, authority will be here, but physically, no.

regards, Marilyn.

 

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8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I think w are in agreement, but we are passing each other like ships in the night.  Yes, we do not go through the Day of the Lord, Gods Wrath. And yes the pangs are "Signs" that the event is near. But of course that is NOW, we are in the 9th Month and we can see these BIRTH PANGS TODAY, but we will be Rapture before the Tribulation...Days of the Lord comes.

  1. Matthew 24:1-6 is about the time from Jesus Death to the 70 AD destruction of the Temple/Jerusalem
  2. Matt. 24:7-13 is about the 2000 some odd years between 70 AD and the Rapture.
  3. Matt. 24:36-42, IMHO, is the Rapture.
  4. Matt. 24:14-28 is the Tribulation/Day of the Lord
  5. Matt. 24:29-31 is the Second Coming
  6. Matt. 24:32-35 is the Parable of the Fig Tree, it shows how ALL of the SIGNS have to come to pass before you can start looking for the Second Coming of the Lord.....These are Signs that must be fulfilled. This means the Sun turning Dark and the Moon turning blood red along with a Great Earthquake, (Joel 2 and Rev. 6) must come to pass before the Lord Returns to save Israel from the Wicked Gentile Ruler (Beast/Anti-Christ). But the Rapture is one of those signs also. As is the Temples/Jerusalem's  destruction, as is the 2000 years of Wars, pestilences, earthquakes, famine, as is the Times of troubles/Jacobs Troubles. When all of these Signs come to pass, the SUMMER IS NEAR.......The Second Coming is Near. 

TRUE.....We just have to get the Matthew 24 timing right. The PANGS come....then the Rapture and Tribulation HITS at the same time, it has to. Matthew 14, the Gospel is preached unto all the world THEN THE END WILL COME (Tribulation period). The very next verse tells of the Abomination of Desolation and then Israel Fleeing into the Wilderness. You have it right, we are just passing each other by in the dark, as per we believe the same but seem to be not looking at the Rapture at the same timing per Matthew 24. I say Jesus told them, without telling them what it meant, it was meant for the Ministry of Paul. 

God Bless...

Hi Revelation Man,

` Ships in the night, ` I hope we don`t collide. :D

Note, the gospel, the good news of the kingdom, concerns the good news that the Messiah is coming to set up an earthly kingdom through Israel - the millennium. That is what the 144,000 Israelis will be sharing through out the world before they get martyred.

The Body of Christ shares the good news that Christ our saviour, is the Head of the Body of believers. Same Lord Jesus Christ, but different aspects of God`s great kingdom over all.  

regards, Marilyn.

 

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5 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi n2thelight,

You still have to prove who the elect are by other scriptures.

As to the believers, the Body of Christ going through the judgment of God, I think you need a better look at what Christ has done for us - salvation, saved from judgment. Note also that the Body of Christ will be the ones ruling with Christ (in the third heaven) bringing the judgment upon the world system and the fallen angels.

Marilyn.

The elect are those throughout time that were chosen before the foundation of the world,people like the prophets and the apostles.

I know exactly what Christ has done for us,when you belong to Christ,His judgement won't affect us not one bit,great example is the judgement on Egypt.

They had the blood of the lamb which protected them,they were in the city,yet not one of them were harmed.We have the blood of Christ.Only those who don't belong to Christ need fear His judgement .

Exodus 12:13 "And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt."

Here we have the full meaning of the Passover in this verse. "When I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you." Passover is the time when God will destroy His enemies, but He will pass over those that love and trust Him. The blood on the post signifies the true blood that was shed on the cross at Calvary. Christ was the lamb slain for one and all times.

When our Lord Jesus Christ returns at the seventh trump, when you are sealed in your forehead with the truth, and you do not bow a knee to Satan. God's judgment that Jesus Christ will bring upon the world at the sounding of the seventh and last trump will not be upon you to destroy you. If you were right in the middle of ten thousand people, and God was going to strike them, you still have nothing to worry about. We are to revere God, not fear God, for there is nothing to fear from our heavenly Father.

Nowhere in scripture does it say we rule with Christ from Heaven.

Zechariah 14:4 "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

This will happen on "the day of the Lord". God will shake the earth and send fire and brimstone upon it. The earthquakes will flatten the cities to where not one stone will stand upon another. Those two great mountains will shake, and the mount of Olives will split. All prophecies concerning Christ return include Mount Zion, and the Mount of Olives will be fulfilled. This is where Christ's feet will touch the earth, when He returns.

This is when we start our rule with Christ,right here on earth.

 

 

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Now back to the Elect

Ephesians 1:1 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus; and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:"

The word "apostle" in the Greek means "one sent by God". Paul was called by Jesus Christ on the road to Damascus, when he was struck down and blinded. This was the will of God that this should be done. This book of Ephesians is not for everyone, but "to the saints, and those faithful to Christ Jesus". The "saints" are the "set aside ones", or also called "God's elect".

The book of Ephesians covers a long period of time; the entire period of Grace, including our time of preparation, getting us ready for the spiritual battles all of God's elect will face during the Antichrist's [Satan's] reign on earth, with the rest of his demonic forces.

Ephesians 1:4 "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:"

What does it mean to be "chosen"?

It means that there are certain people that God chosen in the first earth age, to do a task for Him in this flesh earth age. This is not reincarnation, for it is appointed for each of us to go through this earth age, the flesh earth age, once and only once. We read; "...It is appointed unto men once to die [in the flesh], but after this the judgment." Hebrews 9:27 This appointing and choosing took place before the foundation of this earth age; the second earth age [cosmos] that we now live in.

"Without blame" refers to the fact that God intercedes in certain peoples lives. Certain people have free will, while certain others are of God's election, however, God doesn't play favorites. Christ died for the sins of all who will repent; the chosen, and the free-will. All must repent for sins they commit, and love the Lord Jesus Christ, to have the hope of His glory.

"Before the foundation of the world", [cosmos in the Greek, meaning world or earth age.] The "foundation" in the Greek text, is the verb for, "the overthrow". This refers to something that happened in that first earth age, before the overthrow of Satan and his angels that followed him.

 

"And he that searcheth the heart knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God." Romans 8:27 These saints are "the set-aside ones", or "the chosen". God has a overall plan, and a purpose in that plan just for you. That purpose is to bring back His children to Him; after that overthrow, and in this earth age.

Why would God intercede in a person's life, without them even asking? When your free-will goes against God's purpose for your life, God will intercede. When Paul's "free will" was to destroy all Christians, God's will was to take this highly educated man, and use Paul as the instrument for Him. Paul used to same drive to destroy Christians, that he used later to convert people, after his conversion.

We read that the Lord said; "...For He is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and Kings, and children of Israel:" Acts 9:15

Ephesians 1:5 "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,"

"Predestined" means "from a prior time", or "required to do a certain thing" in the Greek text. You have a choice of loving God, or loving Satan. God will not interfere with your free will choice to chose Him or Satan. However, that person that proved himself during the overthrow of Satan, were "justified", or earned the right to be called "saints", from that first earth age.

Each soul comes from God, and enters an embryo at conception. This is why Jeremiah was a chosen one. "Before I formed thee in the belly I know thee; and before thou comest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet of nations." Jeremiah 1:5

"Sanctified" thee, is to "set aside, or apart for a purpose". Sins still have to be repented, and the price to pay for them still had to be made. To the predestined, and fore chosen, God can make life so miserable to those out of His will that they will repent. God has a perfect will, and God is always fair.

"And we know that all things work together for good, to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose." Romans 8:28 This verse is directed to a certain people, with a condition attached. This applies to "them who are called according to His purpose." "His purpose" is called God's plan, and God's overall plan is the offering of Salvation to all. That plan includes the teaching of God's Word; to plant seeds to convict; to live our life for Him; and to go and speak where God leads you. God will use you as it pleases Him.

"For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." Romans 8:29 God knew you, and what you were in that first earth age; and then [in that first earth age] God prearranged our destiny for this age. That destiny is to make us conform, or be like His Son, Jesus Christ. Though Jesus is the first fruits to overcome death, there are many that have that victory over death, through Christ's death and resurrection.

"Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called: He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified." Romans 8:30 "Justified" means "judged" in the Greek text; God judged them there in that first earth age, and that is why God can and does intercede in the chosen's ones lives. The justified are the priests of the Zadok in the millennium age of Ezekiel 40, for the word Zadok comes from the Hebrew word meaning "the just".

Some excerpts taken from the below

https://www.theseason.org/ot.htm

Like I keep saying if people understood that there was an age before the one we are in His Word would be much more understandable....

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