OldSchool2 Posted June 22, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Just now, shiloh357 said: Yeah, that's some pretty creative spin and mental gymnastics. He was Trump's nominee. Trump gets the credit and that's just how it works. Yes, Trump gets all the credit for Reid's stupidity and McConnell's hard work. "Senate Republicans took their first procedural step Tuesday toward implementing the 'nuclear option' to get Judge Neil Gorsuch confirmed to the Supreme Court over Democratic opposition when Majority Leader Mitch McConnell moved to end debate on his nomination...." http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/04/politics/neil-gorsuch-senate-mcconnell/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, OldSchool2 said: Yes, Trump gets all the credit for Reid's stupidity and McConnell's hard work. That's because unless you spin it that way, you have to admit that Trump did something and we can't have that, can we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted June 22, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.70 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 22, 2017 I wonder if Gorsuch turns out to be more like Roberts than Scalia if this will still be considered a "win" for Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedByGrace1981 Posted June 22, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,923 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/02/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/22/1953 Share Posted June 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, Running Gator said: I wonder if Gorsuch turns out to be more like Roberts than Scalia if this will still be considered a "win" for Trump I don't know about that, but it will be a loss for the country. The Ds foisted Obamacare on us, but it was Roberts who ensured it was never going to go away. And since it was George W. Bush and the republicans who gave us Roberts . . . (anyone think maybe the fix was in?) Blessings, -Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted June 22, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.70 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, SavedByGrace1981 said: I don't know about that, but it will be a loss for the country. The Ds foisted Obamacare on us, but it was Roberts who ensured it was never going to go away. And since it was George W. Bush and the republicans who gave us Roberts . . . (anyone think maybe the fix was in?) Blessings, -Ed There was no fix, picking justices is not an exact science, they often turn out different than expected. Roberts was widely praised highly at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedByGrace1981 Posted June 22, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,923 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/02/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/22/1953 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Just now, Running Gator said: There was no fix, picking justices is not an exact science, they often turn out different than expected. Roberts was widely praised highly at the time No, I wasn't clear. The fix was in when it came to Obamacare. It wasn't going to go away even if there were 9 republicans on the Court. (O-care wasn't an issue when Roberts was nominated and confirmed.) Blessings, -Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 45 minutes ago, Running Gator said: I wonder if Gorsuch turns out to be more like Roberts than Scalia if this will still be considered a "win" for Trump It will, because we know what the alternative would have been had Hillary made the appointment. There is no way to know with absolute certainty how a judge will rule on all cases, so Trump went with someone who had a good conservative record. That is all he could do. As bad as Roberts has been on some issues, he is far better than any judge appointed by a Democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, SavedByGrace1981 said: I don't know about that, but it will be a loss for the country. The Ds foisted Obamacare on us, but it was Roberts who ensured it was never going to go away. And since it was George W. Bush and the republicans who gave us Roberts . . . (anyone think maybe the fix was in?) Blessings, -Ed I think that Roberts wasn't as conservative as we were led to believe. I don't know if President Bush secretly knew that. I believe that had Justice Kennedy decided to uphold the bill, Roberts probably would have voted to overturn it because he could have appeared more conservative, but when Kennedy was strongly in favor of overturning it, he jumped in to save a clearly unconstitutional bill. In that way, I think the fix was in. It is like when Senators or Congressmen vote for a bill that they don't like because they know it won't pass in order to garner favor in their district. They play all kinds of games in Washington, and the courts are no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymous Aristotle Posted June 22, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 907 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 264 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 22, 2017 Very good news that a Republican took this seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted June 22, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted June 22, 2017 2 hours ago, shiloh357 said: That's because unless you spin it that way, you have to admit that Trump did something.... Yes, Prez Trump signed another piece of paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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