warrior12 Posted June 25, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 54 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,370 Content Per Day: 0.87 Reputation: 1,489 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 25, 2017 17 minutes ago, fixerupper said: For Jesus to be Savior, he had to die and be resurrected, that's what was prophesied, and that's what he did. Colossians 1 King James Version (KJV) 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted June 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,777 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,729 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Online Share Posted June 25, 2017 45 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: For Jesus to be the Savior, Jesus needs to be God. Only a man in the likeness of Adam, could be the Savior. Moses said the Lord God will sent someone else , later on, him is the one you should follow, do what he will tell you. (That means he will not follow me, or as we know, he will bring his own , a different covenant than mine. Someone like you, one of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixerupper Posted June 25, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 430 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 131 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: Only God can pay the penalty for man's sin. Jesus was truly man and truly God. Yes Jesus died, and yes He was resurrected. That doesn't mitigate against Him being God. God sent his SON to pay the penalty for sin. It doesn't mitigate against Jesus being God because he's not fully God and said so himself! There is no trinitarian formula in the bible, and there is no salvation formula saying one must believe Jesus is God. It's all fabrication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixerupper Posted June 25, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 430 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 131 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, Yowm said: This by definition is nonsensical. 1. There is only one God...the Father/Son and Holy Spirit...One God, not two. I never said two Gods. You haven't read my replies. I said they are of the same mind and purpose, and that God the Father is Greater than the son of God. Jesus said so himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixerupper Posted June 25, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 430 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 131 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Yowm said: This by definition is nonsensical. 1. There is only one God...the Father/Son and Holy Spirit...One God, not two. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come againunto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Edited June 25, 2017 by fixerupper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixerupper Posted June 25, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 430 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 131 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Yowm said: You did say, "Jesus is God, but God is Greater". You don't see how contradictory or nonsensical that is? Did you say something about scripture being senseless... My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Edited June 25, 2017 by fixerupper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, fixerupper said: God sent his SON to pay the penalty for sin. It doesn't mitigate against Jesus being God because he's not fully God and said so himself! There is no trinitarian formula in the bible, and there is no salvation formula saying one must believe Jesus is God. It's all fabrication. Jesus as God's Son is God. Jesus is fully God and fully man. Jesus never denied being God in whole or in part. Yes, one must believe Jesus is God. That is essential biblical doctrine. Rejecting the biblical truth that Jesus is God places one outside of the Kingdom of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixerupper Posted June 25, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 430 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 131 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 25, 2017 Just now, Yowm said: So you meant to say, 'Jesus is God, but God the Father is greater than God the Son in (redemptive) purpose? No. Jesus isn't called God the Son. He is the son of God. Get it right would you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixerupper Posted June 25, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 430 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 131 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 25, 2017 What problems are you having understanding that Jesus said God is greater? I know! You've accepted false and fabricated doctrine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixerupper Posted June 25, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 430 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 131 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Yowm said: You've already asserted Jesus is not fully God. Are you Jehovah Witness? Are you able to worship Jesus like Thomas and John did? First of all I'm not a JW, but have more respect for them than I do trinitarian Protestants. And Thomas calling Jesus God doesn't mean it takes anything away from, or adds anything to Jesus' declaration that God is greater or that he, Jesus, isn't fully God. If you say he is, throw away all your bibles because that means the bible is a completely contradictory book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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