Jehovahs Witnesses

[KiwiChristian]

In 1889, the watchtower said " we present PROOFS that the setting up of the kingdom of God has already begun...and that 'the battle of the great day of God almighty' (Revelation16:14),which will end in AD1914 with the complete overthrow of the earth's present rulership, is already commenced.".

So, the WT presented "proofs".

These "proofs" were wrong, so what credibility do they have to "proclaim" anything?

 

More food for thought:

 

Failed/Changed prophecies. The Millennium began in 1873. (Thy Kingdom Come, page 305),The Millennium began in 1874. (Finished Mystery, page 386),The resurrection would occur in 1878 (They Kingdom Come, page 234),Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old would return in 1925. (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, page 89),The Book of Ruth is "not prophetical". (Watchtower Reprints IV, p.3110, 12/7/02),The Book of Ruth "is prophetic". (Preservation", p. 169, 175, 176.)

1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262). FALSE PROPHESY!

Will the men of Sodom be resurrected?
Yes....Watchtower 7/1879 page 8
No.....Watchtower 6/1/52 page 338
Yes....Watchtower 8/1/65, page 479
No.....Watchtower 6/1/88, page 31
Yes...Live Forever (old Ed.) page 179
No....Live Forever (new Ed.) page 179
Yes...Insight, vol. 2., page 985
No...Revelation book, page 273.
 

[Guest Judas Machabeus]

They certainly don't have a good record do they. 

[KiwiChristian]

On 25/06/2017 at 4:50 PM, Judas Machabeus said:

They certainly don't have a good record do they. 

By their fruits, ye shall know them.

 

They also have selective amnesia in many cases.

[guestman]

Over the years, we have admitted that there were mistaken views concerning "battle of the great day of God Almighty" as well as when the Kingdom would begin operation. Being mistaken does not mean that God has rejected that organization. It brings to the fore the need for refinements in their understanding of Bible prophecies, which is true of anyone, for what person in their right mind would allow medical knowledge of 1889 to be practiced on them today ?

How about a "car repair manual" from 1889 ? Would anyone use this to repair a 2017 car ? Knowledge and understanding is exponential and reasonable people will realize that what has real merit is not what happened in 1889 but what knowledge, understanding and conduct is available now.

For example, the apostles of Jesus were mistaken in their belief that "the Kingdom of God was going to appear instantly" as they and Jesus approached Jerusalem just before his execution.(Luke 19:11) But by an illustration, Jesus provided insight to the fact that Kingdom's appearance was yet a long way into the future. Did their misbelief cause Jesus to throw them away ? No, just a refinement in their thinking which continued from then on.

Or even on the night before his death, after having taught his apostles for some three years, focusing on humility as critical for God's favor, one betrayed Jesus while the others began arguing who was the greatest.(Luke 22:25; John 13:21, 29, 30)

Did Jesus cast all of them off ?(Judas was called "the son of destruction" and will never again live, John 17:12) Even though Peter impetuously took an ear off a man with a sword (Luke 22:49), denied knowing Jesus three times (22:34, 54-60), put on a pretense many years later (Gal 2:11-14), Jesus continued to use Peter as one of his apostles, being privileged to write two letters of the Bible. And why ? Because these accepted their "medicine" or reproof and displayed agape love.

Apparently you have not read the prophecy at Isaiah 60 about the "woman" on which Jehovah God would "shed light" while "darkness will cover the earth".(Isa 60:1, 2) To the symbolic "woman", it further says that "nations will go to your light and kings to your shining splendor".(Isa 60:3)
Over a few verses, it says that "instead of copper I will bring in gold, and instead of the iron I will bring in silver, instead of the wood, copper, and instead of the stones, iron; And I will appoint peace as your overseers and righteousness as your task assigners".(Isa 60:17) Thus, starting from "wood" or inferior compared to the metals that would come later, copper, silver and finally gold, this "woman" would grow in understanding.

Over the years, this "woman" has been refining its grasp of the Bible, but which the churches of Christendom are still where they were some 1,700 years ago, teaching falsehoods and never recognizing that doctrines as the "Holy Trinity", hellfire, immortality of the soul, having religious titles, that "all good people go to heaven", are not in the Bible and in conjunction that the churches have rejected Jesus words to be "no part of the world" (John 15:19), mixing and mingling with the political arena as well as greedy commerce.(Rev 17:1, 2)

This "woman" has "offspring" that "observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesus".(Rev 12:17) Who are the ones who the brunt of persecution from Satan, that he is enraged at  ?(Rev 12:15, 16) Jehovah's Witnesses, as can be seen from the recent forced closure of the branch in Russia as well in Kazakhstan as well as all around the world. They are hated as Jesus said.(John 15:19)

And who are the ones "bearing witness concerning Jesus", who are proclaiming "the good news of the Kingdom" throughout the earth from "house to house" as Jesus commanded ?(Acts 5:42; 20:20; Matt 24:14) And what did Jesus say would be the main identifying mark of his followers ? Always right in explaining prophecy ?

At John 13, Jesus told his eleven faithful apostles: "I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know you are my disciples - if you have love among yourselves".(John 13:34, 35)

What record has the churches of Christendom acquired over its history ? The shedding of much blood, having no love among themselves, Catholic killing Catholic, Protestant killing Protestant, and in which of the religions of the "world" that includes Christendom, God lays the blame for "all those who have been slaughtered on the earth".(Rev 18:24) Are Jehovah's Witnesses among these ? No. Rather, thousands were imprisoned and many lost their lives for resisting being part of the military, especially during World War II in Nazi Germany and down to this day, many are imprisoned for taking a neutral stand towards the political field and its military.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling Isaiah 2, that says that "in the final part of the days" (our time frame), that "they will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears", whereby individuals of a "nation will not lift sword against nation, nor will they learn war anymore".

Which is a far weightier wrong in Jehovah God's eyes, mistaken understanding of Bible prophecy, or fighting in (or supporting) a political war whereby innocent people are slaughtered, being blood guilty ?

[Reinitin]

On 6/24/2017 at 10:18 PM, KiwiChristian said:

In 1889, the watchtower said " we present PROOFS that the setting up of the kingdom of God has already begun...and that 'the battle of the great day of God almighty' (Revelation16:14),which will end in AD1914 with the complete overthrow of the earth's present rulership, is already commenced.".

So, the WT presented "proofs".

These "proofs" were wrong, so what credibility do they have to "proclaim" anything?

 

More food for thought:

 

Failed/Changed prophecies. The Millennium began in 1873. (Thy Kingdom Come, page 305),The Millennium began in 1874. (Finished Mystery, page 386),The resurrection would occur in 1878 (They Kingdom Come, page 234),Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old would return in 1925. (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, page 89),The Book of Ruth is "not prophetical". (Watchtower Reprints IV, p.3110, 12/7/02),The Book of Ruth "is prophetic". (Preservation", p. 169, 175, 176.)

1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262). FALSE PROPHESY!

Will the men of Sodom be resurrected?
Yes....Watchtower 7/1879 page 8
No.....Watchtower 6/1/52 page 338
Yes....Watchtower 8/1/65, page 479
No.....Watchtower 6/1/88, page 31
Yes...Live Forever (old Ed.) page 179
No....Live Forever (new Ed.) page 179
Yes...Insight, vol. 2., page 985
No...Revelation book, page 273.
 

To add my 2 cents. Jesus is the arch angel Michael? ( a JW teaching) Isn't that pretty close to a spirit that denies Jesus is The only begotten Son and that he came from God?

[bryan]

What Christian magazine has been consistent in how it views things for the past 40 years?  Any?  

How about authors?

[KiwiChristian]

3 hours ago, bryan said:

What Christian magazine has been consistent in how it views things for the past 40 years?  Any?  

How about authors?

we are not talking about publications but organisations. ie: the watchtower

[KiwiChristian]

4 hours ago, Reinitin said:

To add my 2 cents. Jesus is the arch angel Michael? ( a JW teaching) Isn't that pretty close to a spirit that denies Jesus is The only begotten Son and that he came from God?

Yes, they teach michael is Jesus and vice versa.

 

Yes, they DENY the Biblical Jesus.

[KiwiChristian]

4 hours ago, guestman said:

Over the years, we have admitted that there were mistaken views concerning "battle of the great day of God Almighty" as well as when the Kingdom would begin operation. Being mistaken does not mean that God has rejected that organization. It brings to the fore the need for refinements in their understanding of Bible prophecies, which is true of anyone, for what person in their right mind would allow medical knowledge of 1889 to be practiced on them today ?

How about a "car repair manual" from 1889 ? Would anyone use this to repair a 2017 car ? Knowledge and understanding is exponential and reasonable people will realize that what has real merit is not what happened in 1889 but what knowledge, understanding and conduct is available now.

For example, the apostles of Jesus were mistaken in their belief that "the Kingdom of God was going to appear instantly" as they and Jesus approached Jerusalem just before his execution.(Luke 19:11) But by an illustration, Jesus provided insight to the fact that Kingdom's appearance was yet a long way into the future. Did their misbelief cause Jesus to throw them away ? No, just a refinement in their thinking which continued from then on.

Or even on the night before his death, after having taught his apostles for some three years, focusing on humility as critical for God's favor, one betrayed Jesus while the others began arguing who was the greatest.(Luke 22:25; John 13:21, 29, 30)

Did Jesus cast all of them off ?(Judas was called "the son of destruction" and will never again live, John 17:12) Even though Peter impetuously took an ear off a man with a sword (Luke 22:49), denied knowing Jesus three times (22:34, 54-60), put on a pretense many years later (Gal 2:11-14), Jesus continued to use Peter as one of his apostles, being privileged to write two letters of the Bible. And why ? Because these accepted their "medicine" or reproof and displayed agape love.

Apparently you have not read the prophecy at Isaiah 60 about the "woman" on which Jehovah God would "shed light" while "darkness will cover the earth".(Isa 60:1, 2) To the symbolic "woman", it further says that "nations will go to your light and kings to your shining splendor".(Isa 60:3)
Over a few verses, it says that "instead of copper I will bring in gold, and instead of the iron I will bring in silver, instead of the wood, copper, and instead of the stones, iron; And I will appoint peace as your overseers and righteousness as your task assigners".(Isa 60:17) Thus, starting from "wood" or inferior compared to the metals that would come later, copper, silver and finally gold, this "woman" would grow in understanding.

Over the years, this "woman" has been refining its grasp of the Bible, but which the churches of Christendom are still where they were some 1,700 years ago, teaching falsehoods and never recognizing that doctrines as the "Holy Trinity", hellfire, immortality of the soul, having religious titles, that "all good people go to heaven", are not in the Bible and in conjunction that the churches have rejected Jesus words to be "no part of the world" (John 15:19), mixing and mingling with the political arena as well as greedy commerce.(Rev 17:1, 2)

This "woman" has "offspring" that "observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesus".(Rev 12:17) Who are the ones who the brunt of persecution from Satan, that he is enraged at  ?(Rev 12:15, 16) Jehovah's Witnesses, as can be seen from the recent forced closure of the branch in Russia as well in Kazakhstan as well as all around the world. They are hated as Jesus said.(John 15:19)

And who are the ones "bearing witness concerning Jesus", who are proclaiming "the good news of the Kingdom" throughout the earth from "house to house" as Jesus commanded ?(Acts 5:42; 20:20; Matt 24:14) And what did Jesus say would be the main identifying mark of his followers ? Always right in explaining prophecy ?

At John 13, Jesus told his eleven faithful apostles: "I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know you are my disciples - if you have love among yourselves".(John 13:34, 35)

What record has the churches of Christendom acquired over its history ? The shedding of much blood, having no love among themselves, Catholic killing Catholic, Protestant killing Protestant, and in which of the religions of the "world" that includes Christendom, God lays the blame for "all those who have been slaughtered on the earth".(Rev 18:24) Are Jehovah's Witnesses among these ? No. Rather, thousands were imprisoned and many lost their lives for resisting being part of the military, especially during World War II in Nazi Germany and down to this day, many are imprisoned for taking a neutral stand towards the political field and its military.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling Isaiah 2, that says that "in the final part of the days" (our time frame), that "they will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears", whereby individuals of a "nation will not lift sword against nation, nor will they learn war anymore".

Which is a far weightier wrong in Jehovah God's eyes, mistaken understanding of Bible prophecy, or fighting in (or supporting) a political war whereby innocent people are slaughtered, being blood guilty ?

Your works according to the Bible are as filthy rags. The catholics and mormons do good things like you guys do as well. That means nothing.

 

What IS important is not whether you ADMIT you  made false prophecies but that according to the Bible, the watchtower are false prophets and are not to be listened to.

 

The watchtower CLAIMED to be prophets, made FALSE prophecies, deny the Biblical Jesus and the Biblical God.

 

[missmuffet]

The Jehovah Witness religion is a cult. The do not believe in the same Jesus Christ as a Christian does.