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I'm a Nestorian and I've had many Christians regard this part of Christianity as heresy what's your opinions on it.

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Jesus is true man and true God. Anything else is heresy. Jesus isn't two different people.

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Okay Nestorians belive in two separate personalities one divine one human not two people.

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33 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Okay Nestorians belive in two separate personalities one divine one human not two people.

I always thought it meant that Jesus was 2 separate persons. If he has 2 different personalities as you say, then was he schizophrenic? Did he have multiple personalty disorder? It just doesn't make any sense.

I wouldn't follow a man who had to introduce a teaching/doctrine. Stick with the Holy Scriptures.

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As long as you understand that Jesus while on earth was fully man from Mary and fully God from the Holy Spirit, I don't think there is a problem.

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  Joh 1:2  He was in the beginning with God.  Joh 1:3  All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.  Joh 1:14  And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Php 2:5  ESV Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, Php 2:6  who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with GodPhp 2:7  but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of menPhp 2:8  And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

1Ti 3:16  NKJV And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

 1Jo 4:2  By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

Heb 2:14  Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,  Heb 2:15  and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.  Heb 2:16  For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. Heb 2:17  Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.  Heb 2:18  For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.As long as you embrace God's Word, there should be no real problem.  

I believe Jesus was fully God in fully human flesh.  As such He said and did only those things that Father God had shown Him.   But He fully suffered as a human being on the cross.So He had to be fully God and fully man to be the Christ, without sin, but the perfect Lamb of God, a sacrifice for the sin of the world.

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3 hours ago, Mishael said:

I'm a Nestorian and I've had many Christians regard this part of Christianity as heresy what's your opinions on it.

The problem with Nestorianism is that it threatens the atonement. If Jesus is two persons, then which one died on the cross? If it was the "human person," then the atonement is not of divine quality and thereby insufficient to cleanse us of our sins.

The Word who was with God and was God, (John 1:1) divested Himself of His divinity and became a flesh and bone man so that He could die in our stead for our sins. As God He could not die, but as a man He could die. He was raised from the dead three days and three nights after He died as He said He would. He returned to the Father and all power and glory was given back unto Him (Matt. 28:18),

He now sits at His Fathers right hand in Heaven in His glorified flesh and bone body.

Luke 24:39, Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

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I'd ask what you believe is the scriptural evidence for such a thing? Where do we see evidence that Jesus' human personality is separate from His divine one? Is His human self aware of his divine self? Does he sometimes stop being the divine self and look around confused, wondering where He is and why people are following Him? If his divine and human selves are not one, then isn't the human part of Him, being separate, susceptible to sin?

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The other issue with Nestorianism is that there is no scriptural evidence that Jesus had split personalities (this is really what Nestorianism teaches). And as one poster above said, Which one died for us? If you say God then did Jesus switch his personality to be God on the cross? Then if that is the case when was he God and when was he not? Nestorianism is a heretical view of Christ. 

So unless you can support scripture with your opinion then it is just opinion. I think the OP would be very hard pressed to really find an scriptural basis for this viewpoint. 

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23 hours ago, Mishael said:

I'm a Nestorian and I've had many Christians regard this part of Christianity as heresy what's your opinions on it.

mp3speaker.pngNestorianism, Nestorians

Hi Mishael,

This website explains it better then I can...

 

Question: "What is Nestorianism? Who were the Nestorians?"

Answer: 
The Nestorians are followers of Nestorius (c. AD 386–451), who was Archbishop of Constantinople. Nestorianism is based on the belief put forth by Nestorius that emphasized the disunity of the human and divine natures of Christ. According to the Nestorians, Christ essentially exists as two persons sharing one body. His divine and human natures are completely distinct and separate. This idea is not scriptural, however, and goes against the orthodox Christian doctrine of the hypostatic union, which states that Christ is fully God and fully man in one indivisible Person. God the Son, Jesus Christ, took on a human nature yet remained fully God at the same time. Jesus always had been God (John 8:58; 10:30), but at the Incarnation Jesus also became a human being (John 1:14).

In the first few centuries of the church, a great debate arose: what is the exact nature of Christ? How can a being be completely divine and completely human? In the West, the Roman Catholic Church decreed Jesus to be “two natures in one person,” and went on to other things. In the East, the definition of Christ’s nature was as much about politics as it was about religion, and the discussion went on far longer.

The Alexandrines, so named because the political loyalties of most who held the view were Alexandrian, were “monophysites.” They insisted that Jesus was, above all, divine. He was the teacher of divine truth and, in order to have had that truth, must have been primarily divine. To emphasize His humanity over His deity led to unthinkable assertions like “God got tired, injured, hungry, thirsty, and then died.” Apollinaris of Laodicea summarized the thought by saying the Word of God took the place of a rational soul so that a human body could preach the truth of God; the body was a mouthpiece.

The Antiochenes from Antioch thought this was ridiculous. A sacrifice that was not fully human could not redeem humans. Antiochenes were “dyophysites.” The Godhead dwelt in Jesus, no doubt, but not in any way that undermined His humanity. Jesus’ two natures were distinct from one another—although no one could precisely explain what that meant.

When Constantine had moved the political capital from Rome to Byzantium (later Constantinople), the church of the West centralized into the religious and political power of the Roman Catholic Church. The church of the East didn’t have that chance. They had several important churches spread throughout the region, each led by their own bishops. Alexandria and Antioch were two of the oldest and most important, but the church in Constantinople was considered as close to Rome as the East had. The clergy of Alexandria and Antioch constantly fought over the bishopric in Constantinople in hopes of uniting the scattered churches into a regional powerhouse.

In AD 428, Nestorius became patriarch of Constantinople. He was from Antioch, and his theological (and political) leanings became clear when he declared Mary to be Christotokos (“bearer of Christ”), not theotokos (“bearer of God”). In so doing, he said more about Jesus than Mary. He said that, above all else, the humanity of Jesus must be emphasized, His nature firmly divided, and that He was comprised of “two natures and two persons.” The human nature and person were born of Mary. The divine were of God.

The Bishop of Alexandria, among others, didn’t agree. He and his supporters marched into Constantinople and held a trial that relieved Nestorius of his position. Shortly after, Nestorius’s supporters finally arrived and held a smaller trial that convicted the Bishop of Alexandria. After much theological debate and political wrangling, Nestorius was exiled back to Antioch.

The Alexandrians exerted more pressure on the Antiochenes. The Antiochenes were forced to leave Antioch; Nestorius lived out his days in Egypt. But many of the Antiochenes fled east into Persia, where they were called “Nestorians” whether they had politically supported Nestorius or not.

The church already in Persia had its own problems. The rulers in Persia were quite religiously tolerant, but politically they hated Rome and anything that came out of Rome. The church in Persia carefully explained that they were not the same church as in Rome, and the Persians alternated between persecuting them and leaving them alone. Several Nestorian theologians settled in Persia, where the Persian church heard their thoughts on the two natures of Christ and told them, “Yes, of course, we’ve believed that all along.” So Nestorians were readily absorbed into the local church there.


https://www.gotquestions.org/Nestorianism.html
 


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Yes what about the branch of Nestorians in Arabia.

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