Church of England bishops in the UK say, Being gay IS NOT A SICKNESS OR A SIN,

[Guest Thallasa]

On ‎10‎/‎07‎/‎2017 at 10:26 PM, Anonymous Aristotle said:

That's true. There's also no sinners prayer. And there's no reference to Trinity, nor is there reference to purgatory in the Bible. 

God made man in his image and likeness. Then men wrote the Bible and taught doctrine in their own image and likeness. Having nothing to do with God's word at all. 

That's why Gods foresight told us in his word to not trust every spirit. But to discern with righteous judgment the truth. 

 

 You can read the bible a thousand times, and miss the whole point of it with , such  narrow spectacles.

I came on this site to find more about the bible, and now I know why the RCC were reluctant to leave it in the hands of the spiritually bereft , as these are the fruits that show up .

[OldSchool2]

48 minutes ago, Thallasa said:

There is no more homosexuality in the RCC than elsewhere...

To include the Vatican?

"Vatican police have reportedly raided a Vatican-owned apartment and arrested an aide to one of Pope Francis' key advisers.

"Police in late June found widespread drug-use and men engaged in homosexual activity during the bust at the home owned by the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, according to Il Fatto Quotidiano, an Italian newspaper that first reported the incident. Among its duties, the congregation guides the Church's response to clerical sexual abuse cases...."

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-07-05/vatican-police-find-drugs-sex-in-raid-of-cardinal-secretarys-apartment

And the following happened in my own diocese four years ago.

"It’s just like Breaking Bad, but replace the mild-mannered high school chemistry teacher with a prominent Catholic priest. Monsignor Kevin Wallin of Bridgeport, Conn., is facing trial for selling up to $9,000 of methamphetamine a week and has been relieved of his ecumenical duties after superiors learned of his alleged penchant for gay sex on church grounds...."

http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/01/22/meth-priest-suspended-for-transvestite-rectory-sex/

[OldSchool2]

8 minutes ago, Davida said:

... Sadly ,some people still cling to the religiosity of the RCC .  

Where have I heard that before?

"They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations" -- Barack Hussein Obama

[OldSchool2]

4 hours ago, Davida said:

I really don't value men's opinions. The common book of  prayer is not God-breathed....

"... Cleanse the thoughts of our hearts by the inspiration of thy Holy Spirit, that we may perfectly love thee,
and worthily magnify thy holy name; through Christ our Lord. Amen"?

How can anyone write that without the inspiration of the Holy spirit?

 

[simplejeff]

1 hour ago, Thallasa said:

I came on this site to find more about the bible, and now I know why the RCC were reluctant to leave it in the hands of the spiritually bereft , as these are the fruits that show up .

Since the Reformation was Salvation, the GOOD NEWS,  formerly hidden from the members of the rcc ,

how could the rcc help anyone spiritually 'bereft' as you put it ?  The rcc not only did not have any good fruits of life nor of righteousness,  they did not offer salvation to anyone, and as far as can be seen today, still don't.

 

1 hour ago, Thallasa said:

There is no more homosexuality in the RCC than elswhere ,although I think priests should be allowed to marry . It must  have something which the devil hates to be so picked on by ignorance .  

This a typical underhand way, to once again snipe at the RCC , while leaving out the horrors of other churches .

'Underhand' like your posts?   Think about this -- if you have one million sexual perverts practicing their perversion on their parish members (men, women and children- both boys and girls) ,

and in another non-rcc church you have one thousand, or even one hundred thousand sexual perverts practicing their perversion on their congregation members (men, women and children - both boys and girls) ,

i.e.  the "same sins", 

but one has a million , basically more or less ,

and one has a hundred thousand, basically more more or less,

 

which one has more perversion, death-dealing, abuse ? 

Obviously, the one that has a million, basically, more or less,  has more than the one that has a hundred thousand, basically, more or less.

 

Pointing (exposing) it all out is what GOD requires - do not tolerate sin anywhere. 

 

[enoob57]

6 hours ago, OldSchool2 said:

God plans on burning the Book of Common Prayer? I don't see that happening, although those who practiced magical arts brought their books together and burned them of their own volition (Acts 19:19).

The Bible clearly says His Word (Genesis-Revelation) and souls of men the rest will burnt... that is what The Word of God says and that is what will be done.

[Pudgenik]

10 hours ago, Davida said:

 Hi Pudgenik, The Bible is the Word of GOD & God-breathed because the Bible says so , it is the HOLY SPIRIT who is the author of the Holy Bible and that makes it God-breathed not our interpretation of it and not because it glorifies GOD. It is   Not  as you asked " the fullness of the Book " that makes it the Word of GOD and it is not "how we receive it into our heart" that makes it  the Word of God, it is because IT is the Heavenly TRUTH written down and given to us.  IT is what IT says IT is -the Bible scripture testifies of itself. Only the Bible scripture is Light and Living and Eternal.

2Tim 3:16 " 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness,  17so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.… "

Hebrews 4:12 "12  For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart."

1Peter 1:25 "24For, “All flesh is like grass, and all its glory like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, 25but the word of the Lord stands forever.” And this is the word that was proclaimed to you.

Psalm119:89 "89Forever, O LORD, Your word is settled in heaven.  90Your faithfulness continues throughout all generations; You established the earth, and it stands.…"

Psalm 12:6 "6The words of the LORD are pure words; As silver tried in a furnace on the earth, refined seven times.  7You, O LORD, will keep them; You will preserve him from this generation forever.…"

 

I know what you are saying, but even though you say the words, you do not understand them.

Do you understand what is meant when you say, "Only the Bible is Light, and Living, and Eternal".

First,it isn't the book that is any of these. But it is the Word, that is Jesus (Gospel of John, ch 1). 

The Word, that became flesh, is alive in the scripture. 

It is written, that the true Jew is the one who's heart is circumcised. 

We are the adopted sons and daughters, we are the Jews of the heart.

If we read the bible, and never recieve anything into our hearts. That reading, that so called faith would be no better than a gong clanging in the wind.

But if we read the scripture, and recieve it into our hearts, then we also recieve the fullness of Jesus, because our hearts have become circumcised in Him. 

[Pudgenik]

3 hours ago, simplejeff said:

Since the Reformation was Salvation, the GOOD NEWS,  formerly hidden from the members of the rcc ,

how could the rcc help anyone spiritually 'bereft' as you put it ?  The rcc not only did not have any good fruits of life nor of righteousness,  they did not offer salvation to anyone, and as far as can be seen today, still don't.

 

'Underhand' like your posts?   Think about this -- if you have one million sexual perverts practicing their perversion on their parish members (men, women and children- both boys and girls) ,

and in another non-rcc church you have one thousand, or even one hundred thousand sexual perverts practicing their perversion on their congregation members (men, women and children - both boys and girls) ,

i.e.  the "same sins", 

but one has a million , basically more or less ,

and one has a hundred thousand, basically more more or less,

 

which one has more perversion, death-dealing, abuse ? 

Obviously, the one that has a million, basically, more or less,  has more than the one that has a hundred thousand, basically, more or less.

 

Pointing (exposing) it all out is what GOD requires - do not tolerate sin anywhere. 

 

If one man kills 30 people in cold blood, and another kills only 1 in cold blood, who is more guilty. 

They are both guilty and will be judged the same by the Most High. 

It doesn't matter if one group does a thousand or a million, they both come under the same condemnation. 

You are missing the point. The act of homosexuality, is an abomination to the Lord. And defiling a child is also an abomination.

[Pudgenik]

9 hours ago, WalkingMyFishLikeABoss said:

It is sad to read that the CoE has just this quickly become by debate and motion an abomination.

 

 

Maybe the reason for this rebuke of their core faith and loyalty to the Bible is that these men who debated and made the members motion are themselves homosexual. And they in collective accord gave themselves license for their sin.

 

You say, how quickly.

In Revelations it talks of a beast that comes up out of the sea. I often think this is in reference to a "sea change" , something, or a way of thinking that affects the lives of many, if not the whole world.

[simplejeff]

3 hours ago, Pudgenik said:

If one man kills 30 people in cold blood, and another kills only 1 in cold blood, who is more guilty. 

They are both guilty and will be judged the same by the Most High. 

It doesn't matter if one group does a thousand or a million, they both come under the same condemnation. 

You are missing the point. The act of homosexuality, is an abomination to the Lord. And defiling a child is also an abomination.

No, you missed the point- why the rcc gets more attention promoting, encouraging, and allowing without admitting guilt and sin and shame of homosexuality without repentance,  more than protestant or other groups.