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The Harm of using the King James Bible!

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The Harm of using the King James bible

 

Looking at its history, one wonders why people still use such a dated, antiquated translation of the Bible.

1. How can God be honored when a translation that claims to be His Word, carries the name of a mere man, a bi-sexual!

2. All major cults rely on the confusing 17th Century “Queen’s English” in order to have followers that can be easily duped into accepting whatever the cult leader claims the passage is saying. The King James is the Bible of Mormonism, and every Oneness Pentecostal Church I have ever encountered. Fogginess, and dated language, produces confusion amongst the gullible and easily influenced.

3. The false claim that the King James is more understandable than modern translations.

1 Chron. 26:18 says it all! “At Parbar westward, four at the causeway, and two at Parbar.”

Their answer to this is that the majority of people who complained that the language of the King James is too difficult to read, are wrong! Those that cannot understand Old English are apparently liars! Just because YOU can read it comfortably, does not mean that EVERYONE ELSE can read it easily! Besides, it is not in Modern English; the King James is not written in the same language we use today!

4.  When King James Only advocates tell people the lie that Modern Bibles have taken away words and passages, they cause people to doubt and question God’s Word. For these accusations, they have ZERO PROOF! They never admit that the newer translations are based upon older, and more accurate Greek texts. The King James was based upon only a few full texts (5) and a few fragments. None of the complete texts were less than 900 years past the date of the original writings. Newer versions have fragments from the first Century, and full texts from around the fifth.

5. The argument that “older is not better” defies that the Early Church in its first 180 years, knows NOTHING of the text that the King James translators used! In fact, they exclusively used the text that the Modern versions are translated from! Why is that?

6.  If the King James is so perfect, why do I always hear preachers that use it, define and translate what the King James says into modern English? All they are doing is an amateur job of translating from Old English! Yet, they have the audacity to criticize the scholarship and professionalism in which modern translations are derived from the known Greek texts!

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I read the KJV almost exclusively, and always have .... and yet, when Holy Spirit has spoken the Word to me, He speaks to me in modern English (not Old English).  I don't think it matters whether we read God's Word in Old English or modern English. 

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It matters if you understand it. Many do not.

Keep in mind that what you understand, is not what others comprehend. Many cults use the King James Old English as a tool to keep their people in ignorance. Some people just depend on what they are told the passages mean, because they cannot understand what they are saying.

If the King James works for you, go for it! Yet, many have substantial reasons why they trust a modern translation to be better. Comprehension is just one factor to consider; for some people it is not much of a barrier.

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3 hours ago, Jeff2 said:

The Harm of using the King James bible

 

Looking at its history, one wonders why people still use such a dated, antiquated translation of the Bible.

1. How can God be honored when a translation that claims to be His Word, carries the name of a mere man, a bi-sexual!

2. All major cults rely on the confusing 17th Century “Queen’s English” in order to have followers that can be easily duped into accepting whatever the cult leader claims the passage is saying. The King James is the Bible of Mormonism, and every Oneness Pentecostal Church I have ever encountered. Fogginess, and dated language, produces confusion amongst the gullible and easily influenced.

3. The false claim that the King James is more understandable than modern translations.

1 Chron. 26:18 says it all! “At Parbar westward, four at the causeway, and two at Parbar.”

Their answer to this is that the majority of people who complained that the language of the King James is too difficult to read, are wrong! Those that cannot understand Old English are apparently liars! Just because YOU can read it comfortably, does not mean that EVERYONE ELSE can read it easily! Besides, it is not in Modern English; the King James is not written in the same language we use today!

4.  When King James Only advocates tell people the lie that Modern Bibles have taken away words and passages, they cause people to doubt and question God’s Word. For these accusations, they have ZERO PROOF! They never admit that the newer translations are based upon older, and more accurate Greek texts. The King James was based upon only a few full texts (5) and a few fragments. None of the complete texts were less than 900 years past the date of the original writings. Newer versions have fragments from the first Century, and full texts from around the fifth.

5. The argument that “older is not better” defies that the Early Church in its first 180 years, knows NOTHING of the text that the King James translators used! In fact, they exclusively used the text that the Modern versions are translated from! Why is that?

6.  If the King James is so perfect, why do I always hear preachers that use it, define and translate what the King James says into modern English? All they are doing is an amateur job of translating from Old English! Yet, they have the audacity to criticize the scholarship and professionalism in which modern translations are derived from the known Greek texts!

This is just as bad as what the KJV-only crowd does.

1.  There is no evidence that King James was a homosexual or bisexual.  In the same way that KJV-only people make things up as they go along to defend their flawed reasoning, the detractors of the KJV do exactly the same thing.  It is both amusing and pathetic that people so either taken by, or repulsed by a certain translation will invent stuff about that translation that is not true.

2.  In actuality, Mormons barely use the Bible at all except a couple of cherry-picked verses that they take out of context and re-interpret to support their doctrine.  No one needs a KJV to do that.  People do that every day with any translation one could name.  The KJV does not hold the trademark on that.

3.  For someone that has used a KJV for decades, yes, to them it would be more understandable to them because they have come to know that translation the best.  That is not a false claim, nor is it bad to know a translation so thoroughly that you understand it better than you would another translation.  Everyone has one translation they prefer over others.  For it to be the KJV is not bad or wrong.  Once a person adjusts to the language style there is nothing difficult about understanding the KJV.  Just because one person has difficulties understanding a translation does not mean someone else will have the same problem.

4.  More spurious reasoning.  The translators of the KJV used the texts they had at the time.   It is hardly their fault that older, better and more reliable texts were found centuries later.  That does not dis-credit their efforts, or the results.  Any competent person can compare the KJV to the texts we have and plainly see that the people that translated what they had did a very good job.  The only reason the KJV is maligned at all is because it uses a language style that is no longer in wide use.  That does not mean that this translation does some kind of "harm."

5.  The age of the texts is irrelevant as long as the texts themselves are accurate and are translated as correctly as possible.

6.  Every preacher does this with every translation.  It's called hermeneutics.  It's called exegesis.  This is what preachers are supposed to do.

Since there are plenty of good English translations available to anyone who wishes to use one, your objections to the KJV are moot.

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13 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

This is just as bad as what the KJV-only crowd does....

I think that was the point

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3 hours ago, Jeff2 said:

It matters if you understand it. Many do not.

Keep in mind that what you understand, is not what others comprehend. Many cults use the King James Old English as a tool to keep their people in ignorance. Some people just depend on what they are told the passages mean, because they cannot understand what they are saying.

If the King James works for you, go for it! Yet, many have substantial reasons why they trust a modern translation to be better. Comprehension is just one factor to consider; for some people it is not much of a barrier.

If the modern translations are better why don't they agree?

The fact that some cults use the KJV is not a fault of the KJV.   Cults use the NIV as well.  In fact, the JW's feel it communicates their views as well.  And the NIV production team had two homosexuals involved in making the translation.  

The KJV is better at nuances from the Greek which is why it uses the words "Thee" "thine,"  "ye," "you" "thou."  Those words distinguish the difference (as reflected in the Greek) between talking to a group vs. an individual person.  No other translation does so.

The KJV is based on very accurate texts, and is the product of painstaking work from 52 of the best scholars from Oxford, Westminster and Cambridge and their credentials are sterling, exceptional and quite advanced even by our standards, today.

And by the way, there is no evidence the King James V was gay.  That is a conspiracy theory that has been floated around with no evidence to support it.   I am not KJV only, but the garbage you have posted against the KJV is just garbage.

I know people with no college degree who grew up on a farm and have been farmers their whole lives, nothing but a High school education and they know and understand the KJV just fine.   It is not hard to understand, unless your simply dead set against believing what it says.

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2 hours ago, Cobalt1959 said:

There is no evidence that King James was a homosexual or bisexual.  In the same way that KJV-only people make things up as they go along to defend their flawed reasoning, the detractors of the KJV do exactly the same thing.

It's not made up, but discussed in period writing.

You say, "The detractors f the KJV do exactly the same thing." Great observation! This is intentional, for if this is how the King James Only crowd thinks and arrives at truth, then the approach is perfectly on target!  

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35 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

The KJV is better at nuances from the Greek which is why it uses the words "Thee" "thine,"  "ye," "you" "thou."  Those words distinguish the difference (as reflected in the Greek) between talking to a group vs. an individual person.  No other translation does so.

And on the flip-side, it is one of the worst in conveying the verb tenses of any translation.

 

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43 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

The KJV is based on very accurate texts, and is the product of painstaking work from 52 of the best scholars from Oxford, Westminster and Cambridge and their credentials are sterling, exceptional and quite advanced even by our standards, today.

Like Latin scholars! Hmmm! Are they "accurate texts"? Like the last part or Revelation they had no Greek text of, so they translated the Latin into Greek, and then into English? Thank God for the Roman Church for preserving the most accurate texts!

 

What texts they used were certainly late texts! Their were certainly few texts! They were certainly not the best and most complete texts! If Rome has to rescue your version of the Bible, it's a sad day for Scripture!

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41 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

I know people with no college degree who grew up on a farm and have been farmers their whole lives, nothing but a High school education and they know and understand the KJV just fine.   It is not hard to understand, unless your simply dead set against believing what it says.

And I know people that are not college graduates that can read Greek! Therefore we should throw away all English translations and get back to the original language!

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