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Many of those who call themselves Christians believe that we will always sin. They misuse Romans 3:23 and Romans 7. How do you correct this thinking without being seen as a heretic, being that it's a common belief?

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2 minutes ago, Yowm said:

I believe it heretical to say that we can reach a sinless state this side of heaven...

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
(1Jn 1:8-10)
 

Sin will cease when we are in His presence.

 

Where does the Bible say sin will cease when we are in His Presence.

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3 minutes ago, Yowm said:

I believe it heretical to say that we can reach a sinless state this side of heaven...

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
(1Jn 1:8-10)
 

Sin will cease when we are in His presence.

 

definitely the teaching of Scripture :thumbsup:   Here driven in The Love of God to obey Him: we fail yet always with repentance and continued effort to be like The Son to His honor and glory!

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1 John 3:2 (KJV)

[2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

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4 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

1 John 3:2 (KJV)

[2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

1 John 3:3 "And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure."

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3 minutes ago, Yowm said:

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
(1Jn 1:8-10)
 

There shall be no death because there will be no sin...

"O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?" The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
(1Co 15:55-56)
 

 

I'm not sure how these verse say that we will be sinless only after His return.

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Just now, Mateo said:

1 John 3:3 "And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure."

Yes combine the truth Yowm stated with the truth of the verse I gave you and you come up the summary of what I stated in reply to Yowm :) 

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2 minutes ago, Yowm said:

look back, I had corrected it with this...

 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away."
(Rev 21:4)
 

There shall be no death because there will be no sin...

"O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?" The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
(1Co 15:55-56)

Still don't see it to be honest 

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12 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

definitely the teaching of Scripture :thumbsup:   Here driven in The Love of God to obey Him: we fail yet always with repentance and continued effort to be like The Son to His honor and glory!

Why try something that you know you'll fail at?

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2 minutes ago, Yowm said:

It answers your question... "Where does the Bible say sin will cease when we are in His Presence." 

Since  death shall be no more  (Rev 21:4), it follows that neither will sin since sin produces death (1Cor 15:56).

Now how about some proof texts for your position?

Jude 1:24

1 Peter 4: 1-2

2 Peter 1: 5-10

Romans 8: 2-14

are some.

 

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