Guest shiloh357 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 On 8/2/2017 at 7:09 AM, brakelite said: This is one prime example of the illogical nonsensical interpretations of scripture which paint an absurd, insulting and blasphemous mischaracterization ofGod. You do realize dont you that the redeemed also are going to be in the presence of God and angels forever? So the wicked are to be tormented in our presence...forever??!!! Seriously? No, actually Hell is going to be a place of eternal, conscious torment forever. It is not a mischaracterization of God at all. We simply know Him and believe His Word. Quote And you truly believe that? Such entertainment will be joyful enrich our experience and enhance our appreciation of the love, mercy and grace of God no doubt. Do you people ever seriously think about what you are saying? Come on all you who claim to know and understand God. How do you reconcile eternal torment with a just God? Think! Hell is perfectly just. And God would have been just if He had not provided a plan of salvation. If God had wiped Adam and Eve off of the earth and ended the human race right there is the garden, it would have been the just thing to do because of sin, and sin MUST be punished. And sin WAS punished when Jesus bore our sin on the cross. God's punitive wrath was hurled against Jesus and He bore the full weight of the penalty of our sin on the cross. God was under no obligation to save us. He could have let us go to Hell. Salvation is solely the product of His grace and mercy and not the result of any obligation upon Him. God is not obligated to us, in any way shape or form. So Hell comports with a just God who punishes sin. Quote How do you reconcile eternal torment with a God who has the power and will to eradicate sin from the universe? You seriously believe God plans to immortalize sin? Why? As a reminder of the pain He and His Son went through to take away sin and put down the rebellion? Hell is the consequence of rejecting the salvation and mercy that God offers. Those who choose continued separation will go to Hell. God is not immortalizing sin. God is exercising His wrath against those who chose to remain His enemies and rejected Him. Quote Oh right, no chance you would consider any other alternative doctrine on the Biblical punishment of the wicked...only cults like JWs and Adventists believe that way right? Nuh, too proud to consider that they may be reading the Bible correctly and you not. No, the Bible is clear on the matter. Simply choosing to believe the Bible and reject your arguments as unbiblical. Quote Sorry bout the sarcasm, but of all teachings this eternal torment error makes me so angry...because it insults my Savior. GET OVER IT!!! It doesn't insult Him at all. It actually honors Him because He spoke of those who would go into ever lasting punishment (Matt. 25) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brakelite Posted August 5, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 977 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 641 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/15/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2017 On 02/08/2017 at 10:50 PM, enoob57 said: What God says will be no matter your will in the matter... Matthew 6:10 (KJV) [10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Yes The Word does speak for itself in the hermeneutic... most don't even know what that is! Which seems you as well! Love, Steven Precisely. So why do you not believe what God has said? God says through Paul, that the wages of sin is....? Jesus said Himself that "whosoever would believe in Him would not..? Ezekiel said under the inspiration of the spirit of Christ, "the soul that sinneth it shall ...? According to the modern church the same answer could be used in all the above...."live forever". What kind of hermenutic allows the so-called Bible student to interpret words such as 'death' and 'perish' in a manner which means exactly the opposite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brakelite Posted August 5, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 977 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 641 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/15/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2017 On 03/08/2017 at 1:17 PM, HAZARD said: Men do not SPIRITUALISE other books or make every literal statement in the SYMBOLIC and MYSTICAL, and there is no excuse for us to do this with Bible truths. Quite so. Question. On what basis therefore given your statement above, do the majority of Christians stand when spiritualizing the following texts of scripture, redefining the meaning of death to mean eternal life, and claiming a continuing punishing throughout eternity when the text clearly states that the punishment is eternal, which is as Romans 6:23 says unequivocably..."the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus". Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. The punishment of the wicked and the rewards of the righteous are set in contrdistinction to one another throughout scripture. Death for one, life for the other. Both eternal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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