Post-Trib, Post-Wrath Rapture = second coming

[Reinitin]

1 hour ago, Keras said:

That prophecy proves a rapture to heaven?  You must be joking!  Heaven isn't even mentioned there. 

Jesus will come again:  His Return, and take you to Himself:  gather His people; those who have proved their faith during all that happens before Jesus Returns. Many mansions: the New Jerusalem, that will come down to earth after the Millennium.

A rapture removal to heaven, is a very critical doctrine. Why is there no specific scripture that plainly tells us about it?  Why is that idea so argued about among Bible studiers; pre, mid or post? 

But the clincher is the many prophesies that say it is the destiny and the privilege of us Christians to occupy all the holy Land,where we will be the people God always wanted there; His witnesses and the Light to the nations.  THAT will be like Heaven!

 

have you studied that greek word translated mansions? there is not to much suport among greek translators for the use of that word.

[Keras]

3 hours ago, Reinitin said:

have you studied that greek word translated mansions? there is not to much suport among greek translators for the use of that word.

Yes, it simply means houses or just a dwelling place. 'Mansions' gives a very wrong impression. 

The way that rapture believers tout John 14:1-3, as a definite proof that the church goes to heaven, shows just how deep in deceit they are. They can only read it and other prophesies in a way that suits their belief. This is exactly what God said He would do to those who choose to believe false ideas, theories and doctrines. Isaiah 29:9-12, 2 Thessalonians 2:11

[Last Daze]

3 hours ago, Keras said:

The way that rapture believers tout John 14:1-3, as a definite proof that the church goes to heaven, shows just how deep in deceit they are. They can only read it and other prophesies in a way that suits their belief. This is exactly what God said He would do to those who choose to believe false ideas, theories and doctrines. Isaiah 29:9-12, 2 Thessalonians 2:11

Just because someone sees something differently than you do doesn't mean that they are deep in deceit.  People rationalize things emotionally as well as intellectually.  This is why there's such a disconnect between pretribbers and posttribbers, because we don't all process information the same way.  They wind up talking past each other and wonder why the "other side" doesn't get it.  Everyone, to varying degrees, is emotional and intellectual, believers and unbelievers alike.  What separates believers from unbelievers is the indwelling Holy Spirit and the spiritual discernment that He gives us when we walk in the truth.  Those of the world are incapable of this discernment and it is this discernment that will be the extra oil that we need to be prepared for whatever might come our way.

It doesn't matter if our eschatology is derived primarily from emotion or intellect so long as we don't allow it to affect our spiritual worship of God, our obedience to His will.  Emotion and intellect are human traits that will fail us if we trust in them, but the godly wisdom we obtain through obedience is the rock we need for our house to stand.  Maybe its time that we focus more on what matters, on building up the body of Christ and encouraging each other since the days are evil and the time is short.

[Reinitin]

6 hours ago, Keras said:

Yes, it simply means houses or just a dwelling place. 'Mansions' gives a very wrong impression. 

The way that rapture believers tout John 14:1-3, as a definite proof that the church goes to heaven, shows just how deep in deceit they are. They can only read it and other prophesies in a way that suits their belief. This is exactly what God said He would do to those who choose to believe false ideas, theories and doctrines. Isaiah 29:9-12, 2 Thessalonians 2:11

Yeah, but the ones who teach that even teach against christs word they proclaim no baptism when Jesus said"baptise and be baptised". The theif on the cross who wasnt even under the same covenant as us. He could not beleive Jesus died and was resurected the Holy one prophecied.  How can any one trust those doctrins for salvation instead of Christ? 

Edited September 9, 2017 by Reinitin

[Reinitin]

6 hours ago, Keras said:

Yes, it simply means houses or just a dwelling place. 'Mansions' gives a very wrong impression. 

The way that rapture believers tout John 14:1-3, as a definite proof that the church goes to heaven, shows just how deep in deceit they are. They can only read it and other prophesies in a way that suits their belief. This is exactly what God said He would do to those who choose to believe false ideas, theories and doctrines. Isaiah 29:9-12, 2 Thessalonians 2:11

pray for them some are under enchantment and parrot out of fear. They trust in the Doctrin and not The Lord.