Something about the book of thessalonians and death

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18 hours ago, BobRyan said:

1 Tim 3:16 "ALL scripture is given by inspiration from God AND is to be used for doctrine"

2 Peter 1:20-21 "NO scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation  - but holy men of old moved by by Holy Spirit - spoke from God"

 

Jesus said "into Thy hands I commit My spirit"

Stephen said "receive my spirit".

Ecclesiastes also states it "the spirit goes to God" at death.

 

But as 1Thess 4 points it - it is in a dormant state -- for those who "fall asleep in Jesus"

 

JESUS said:, the time will come, and it is almost near that the truth worshipers "will worship in spirit and in truth". 

When Jesus spoke these words he was in a village of Samaria. Speaking to a Samaritan woman, who at that time was worshiping in error, not in truth, without the High Priest the mediator between them and God. 

JESUS mention two things: 

a) in spirit and 

b) in truth 

Two different people before JESUS, a Samaritan and a Gallilian, or jew. 

The first one was still worshiping in the old place of the Temple, which was in Samaria, or Ephraim,

Which was not the truth place of worship. 

and the second was worshiping in Jerusalem, which was a city in the tribe of Benjamin. 

Which was the Truth place of worship at that time. 

The Jews in Jerusalem worship in the Temple, with the High Priest from the Aaronic family  being the mediator between the people and God, and not without the blood of the Attonmen, and the place where he applies the blood. 

There was no other way the instructions in the book of Moses had to be followed, and the eligibility of the worshipers was according to the same rules in the book of Moses. 

JESUS said: the Jews soon they will find themselves in the same situation as the Samaritans they will not worship in Truth. 

They will worship in the Temple in Jerusalem but they will be in error the same way the Samaritans found them selves in error when the place of worship the Temple was moved to Jerusalem together with the Preisthood. 

We had the place  Jerusalem and we had, 

a) the Temple 

b) the High Priest 

c) the blood of the Attonmen and 

d) the place to apply the blood. 

 

We see that the place of worship was in the Temple. 

And the location of the Temple was important as there had to be only one Temple, one Arc one High Priest, one sacrifice and the blood of the Attonmen and one place to apply the blood. 

And were guided by the written instructions. 

JESUS also said the new worshipers will worship in Spirit. 

Here JESUS CHRIST is indroducing a New thing, a Spiritual worship. 

We understand that Jesus Christ is has provided the blood of the Attonmen, which he applies to our hearts when we believe and we are also heir of his Spirit, and are one with him. So as his Spiritual children we are alive in him, so we can be in his presence and he can come to us, and death can not come to us. We are alive to him, and we never die. 

Sin cannot gives death, Death can not Sting us when we sin. 

Death can sting only those who denied to believe in Jesus Christ. 

In JESUS CHRIST we never die. We never sleep, or fall into a comma. 

We remain alive to him all the time , we are in communion with him all the time. 

His heart beat is our heart beat. 

He has life, we have life. 

We belong to him in our  home which in the Heavens, our Heavenly inheritance, and just waiting to be free of our earthly body finaly, discard it to go where it belongs to the Earth whether bury and consumed by the worms or burned and turned into ashes, or perhaps half and half, or devour by the wild beast and some times by a rare as it is,  is still  happening by other fellow humans, for their consious reasons, or in some case as they found out mix with other meats and given to consumers in their ignorance they consume it.

We just are waiting to ascent to where he is, where are home is to where we belong.

As he is so we are. 

God bless 

The peopke before JESUS CHRIST, wish that they had lived in our time, to have our blessing , but instead they lived with the same hope as Abraham and King David, to wait for their Lord in Seol, the place the Lord God assing for them till he goes their as the CHRIST to take them to their Heavenly Place. 

David as a prophet Knew about it , preach it, and wrote it down as inheritance to the next generation. 

The people in the Bossom of Abraham sang the most beautiful song when they saw Jesus Christ as soon as he died on the Cross, coming to them. 

Osana, osana, bless is he who comes in the name of the Lord. 

Before the Cross Jesus had Judas to identify him, and also he had John the Baptist, who was preciding Jesus and he had to precide JESUS not only in his birth, but also in his death, so he was telling people here that the CHRIST is coming and his mission was to indedifie him, so he was telling after his death, when he descended to the Bossom of Abraham that his mission included that to precide JESUS CHRIST in death, so he can preach his coming to the Bossom of Abraham and indentifie at the same time. 

 

 

 

 

[BobRyan]

On 8/26/2017 at 10:21 PM, Giller said:

1Th 4:14-16
(14)  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
(15)  For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
(16)  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
 

Who shall rise first? The dead, and it shows people being alive at the time of the rapture, and some being asleep, but the ones who are asleep, or dead (as verse 16 says) shall rise first.

This is the physically dead in Christ, how they shall rise first.

The text calls them -- "them which are asleep."

[BobRyan]

9 hours ago, Giller said:

But BobRyan it mentions them which are asleep, in verse 15 and then verse 16 starts with the word for, which means it is continuing with something that was previously mentioned.

Them that are asleep in Christ are the same as them that are dead in Christ, absolutely no difference.

I do not argue against it  "our FRIEND Lazarus sleeps I go that I may wake HIM... Lazarus IS DEAD" John 11.

 

The "DEAD in Christ" are those "who have fallen asleep in Jesus" - thus as Christ said in Matt 22 "God is NOT the God of the DEAD"

 

It is "the person".

 

But the body "returns to dust" when you die.. every night however your body "sleeps".

Edited August 29, 2017 by BobRyan