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[Truth is Power]

2 hours ago, Butero said:

You are comparing praying to Jesus to looking at porn???   You have got to be kidding!  You stated we are not allowed to pray to Jesus, and I guarantee that you cannot produce any scripture that says that, so you come up with this ludicrous comparison. 

When I pray, as a general rule, I begin with "Dear Heavenly Father, I come to you in the name of Jesus."  That is what I do when I am in the prayer closet and making requests.  I will often pray the Lord's Prayer, where we ask God to forgive us our trespasses.  No problem there either.  At the same time, I will sometimes talk to Jesus like I would a friend, which is a type of prayer.  I do believe I can confess my sins to Jesus and he can forgive them, because we have examples of him forgiving sins in the Bible and he said he has the power to forgive sins.  I would normally baptize in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, as Jesus said to do that, but in Acts, it mentions baptizing in the name of Jesus.  Therefore, both are ok.  I have spoken directly to the Holy Spirit when I have a question about the meaning of something in scripture.  Remember that Jesus said he was returning to the Father, but he was sending us the comforter who would lead us into all truth.  I therefore have asked the Holy Spirit, who is with me and all other Christians for help understanding things, and he has given me answers.  That is a type of prayer. 

You gave me no scripture as far as I am concerned.  I have no idea what you were quoting from but it wasn't the Bible.  It was some weird commentary or paraphrase, but it wasn't from a real Bible.  It was such a perversion, I didn't recognize it at all.  You say "Truth is Power."  Here is truth.  There is an assault against the true Word of God through perverted versions of scripture, and I reject all of them, and only accept what is found in the KJV Bible.  If you want to debate what is truth, we might as well add that into the mix, but before we do, let me point out that this is not a debate thread.  A person was looking for advise on a serious matter.  I gave him advise and you turned it into a debate.  We can both agree on one thing.  We both agree it is fine to direct our prayers to the Father in Jesus' name.  There is no controversy there, so in order to prevent this from getting out of hand and turning into yet another unfruitful doctrinal fight, I am willing to suggest that when I said he should pray to Jesus and ask his forgiveness, he should ask the heavenly Father to forgive his sins in Jesus' name.  I still don't think it really matters, but I am willing to let it go for the sake of a person who was seeking help so as not to cause unnecessary confusion. 

I have given ample proof, it's you guys that have not given me any scriptures showing that anyone in the bible approves of praying to Jesus, maybe you need to go back and read my other post where I give like 50 scriptures as to why only the father is the one we should direct our prayers to. All I'm asking for where in the bible does it teach or show on many occasions that people prayed to Jesus please just show me the scriptures why is that so hard. I'm not bashing anyone belief so to say but why is it that no one gives scriptures? please understand if what is taught in the Bible as one thing then it's true, but coming on here has made my heart drop as to why people are not providing the scriptures? I don't have blind faith in what I know cause everything I know comes from the scripture, again go back and read my post you will see I gave plenty of scriptures to as why you only direct your prayers to the Father and never to the son.

I'm not just asking for one misinterpreted bible verse, I'm asking for proof, and also even before Jesus they only prayed to the father and never the Son. Now we just ask when closing our prayer we ask in Jesus name but not in the OT or in the New do I see anyone ever teaching that it is ok to pray to Jesus. I think this is a big problem.

If you use the Catholic Bible (KJV) for your only source for your answers when you're reading, then you without of matter of doubt cling to traditions of men rather than the teachings of God. That bible has clearly stated on the back of it how it takes out things and adds to the word of God. so maybe you need to do your research because Jesus did state Satan is misleading the whole inhabited earth and satan greatest work is what he has done to the bible in man's history. I hate bibles that are not true the word of God but let's not get side tracked. Please, give the scriptures on where anyone is praying to Jesus I want more than just one, please. I don't want your human thoughts or traditions on the matter without scriptures. This is the first time I ever heard people saying it was ok to direct your prayer to Jesus I just want proof maybe I missed something hey I could be wrong, but I'm a scripture kind of guy so don't think I listen to babble talk no offense.

WHERES THE SCRIPTURE ?????????????
 

[Truth is Power]

11 hours ago, Truth is Power said:

While Jesus is teaching in the crowded room, four men bring a paralyzed man on a stretcher. They want Jesus to heal their friend. Yet, because of the crowd, they cannot “bring him right to Jesus.” (Mark 2:4) Imagine how disappointing that is. They climb up onto the flat roof of the house and make an opening through the tiles. Then they lower the stretcher holding the paralyzed man down into the house.
Does Jesus get angry at the interruption? No, indeed! He is deeply impressed by their faith and says to the paralyzed man: “Your sins are forgiven.” (Matthew 9:2) But can Jesus actually forgive sins? The scribes and the Pharisees take issue with this, reasoning: “Why is this man talking this way? He is blaspheming. Who can forgive sins except one, God?”—Mark 2:7.

Knowing their thoughts, Jesus says to them: “Why are you reasoning these things in your hearts? Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up and pick up your stretcher and walk’?” (Mark 2:8, 9) Yes, based on the sacrifice that Jesus will in time offer, he can forgive the man’s sins.
Then, Jesus shows the crowd, including his critics, that he has authority to forgive sins on earth. He turns to the paralytic and gives the command: “I say to you, Get up, pick up your stretcher, and go to your home.” And the man immediately does that, walking out carrying his stretcher before the eyes of all those present. The people are amazed! They glorify God and exclaim: “We have never seen anything like this”! Mark 2:11, 12.

It is worthy of note that Jesus mentions sins in connection with sickness and that forgiveness of sins can be linked to physical health. The Bible teaches that our first parent, Adam, sinned and that all of us have inherited the consequences of sin, namely, sickness and death. But under the rule of God’s Kingdom, Jesus will forgive the sins of all who love and serve God. Then sickness will be removed forever. Romans 5:12, 18, 19.

TO WHOM DID JESUS TEACH US TO PRAY?
Jesus both taught and showed us to whom we should pray.
When one of his disciples asked Jesus, “Lord, teach us how to pray,” Jesus replied: “Whenever you pray, say: ‘Father.’” (Luke 11:1, 2) Further, in his famous Sermon on the Mount, Jesus urged his listeners to pray. He said: “Pray to your Father.” He also reassured them by saying: “Your Father knows what you need even before you ask him.” (Matthew 6:6, 8) On his final night as a human, Jesus told his disciples: “If you ask the Father for anything, he will give it to you in my name.” (John 16:23) Jesus thus taught us to pray to the one who is both his Father and our Father, His God, and our God. John 20:17.17 Jesus said to her, “Stop holding on to me,[a] for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

HIS EXAMPLE: In line with the way he taught others to pray, Jesus personally prayed: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth.” (Luke 10:21) On another occasion, “Jesus raised his eyes heavenward and said: ‘Father, I thank you that you have heard me.’” (John 11:41) And as he was dying, Jesus prayed: “Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit.” (Luke 23:46) In praying to his heavenly Father—the “Lord of heaven and earth”—Jesus set a clear example for all to follow. (Matthew 11:25; 26:41, 42; 1 John 2:6)

 

3 hours ago, Butero said:

You are comparing praying to Jesus to looking at porn???   You have got to be kidding!  You stated we are not allowed to pray to Jesus, and I guarantee that you cannot produce any scripture that says that, so you come up with this ludicrous comparison. 

When I pray, as a general rule, I begin with "Dear Heavenly Father, I come to you in the name of Jesus."  That is what I do when I am in the prayer closet and making requests.  I will often pray the Lord's Prayer, where we ask God to forgive us our trespasses.  No problem there either.  At the same time, I will sometimes talk to Jesus like I would a friend, which is a type of prayer.  I do believe I can confess my sins to Jesus and he can forgive them, because we have examples of him forgiving sins in the Bible and he said he has the power to forgive sins.  I would normally baptize in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, as Jesus said to do that, but in Acts, it mentions baptizing in the name of Jesus.  Therefore, both are ok.  I have spoken directly to the Holy Spirit when I have a question about the meaning of something in scripture.  Remember that Jesus said he was returning to the Father, but he was sending us the comforter who would lead us into all truth.  I therefore have asked the Holy Spirit, who is with me and all other Christians for help understanding things, and he has given me answers.  That is a type of prayer. 

You gave me no scripture as far as I am concerned.  I have no idea what you were quoting from but it wasn't the Bible.  It was some weird commentary or paraphrase, but it wasn't from a real Bible.  It was such a perversion, I didn't recognize it at all.  You say "Truth is Power."  Here is truth.  There is an assault against the true Word of God through perverted versions of scripture, and I reject all of them, and only accept what is found in the KJV Bible.  If you want to debate what is truth, we might as well add that into the mix, but before we do, let me point out that this is not a debate thread.  A person was looking for advise on a serious matter.  I gave him advise and you turned it into a debate.  We can both agree on one thing.  We both agree it is fine to direct our prayers to the Father in Jesus' name.  There is no controversy there, so in order to prevent this from getting out of hand and turning into yet another unfruitful doctrinal fight, I am willing to suggest that when I said he should pray to Jesus and ask his forgiveness, he should ask the heavenly Father to forgive his sins in Jesus' name.  I still don't think it really matters, but I am willing to let it go for the sake of a person who was seeking help so as not to cause unnecessary confusion. 

My comparison was legit sorry you just couldn't understand it. So here again I reposted it for you. Where I give ample proof to the bibles teaching. Where is yours???????
I don't know If you're so heated in your disagreement, that you are truly not listing to what I'm saying. I know that I used to be like that, sit back take a breath and listen to what im asking you, be humble like a child and listen to what I'm asking you. It's not about unnecessary confusion, no one is giving me scriptures to their teaching. 

Edited September 11, 2017 by Truth is Power

[Guest Butero]

1 hour ago, Truth is Power said:

 

My comparison was legit sorry you just couldn't understand it. So here again I reposted it for you. Where I give ample proof to the bibles teaching. Where is yours???????
I don't know If you're so heated in your disagreement, that you are truly not listing to what I'm saying. I know that I used to be like that, sit back take a breath and listen to what im asking you, be humble like a child and listen to what I'm asking you. It's not about unnecessary confusion, no one is giving me scriptures to their teaching. 

I will tell you what I will do.  I don't have the time right now to give you scriptures, as I have things I must deal with this afternoon, but I will try to give you a better response later.  In the meantime, in your first post, you said we are not allowed to ask Jesus to forgive our sins.  Those are your words.  You said, not allowed to.  How about you coming up with scriptures to show that we aren't allowed to do that. 

The KJV Bible is not a Catholic Bible.  Do your research.  The Catholic have also rejected the KJV Bible for a modern English perversion, much like the rest of the church has.  I have researched this issue.  The modern translations change the meaning of verses and even leave portions of the canon out of the text.  I can prove that rather easily.  By the way, I didn't see you give "like 50 scriptures."  How about numbering them 1 through "like 50" so we can see how close to 50 you got.  I can accept it if it is 44 or s0.  That is close enough, and I want real scriptures, from the KJV Bible.  I don't accept that mess you posted as legitimate, and never will. 

[missmuffet]

1. You need to genuinely desire His voice.

2. Make sure nothing is blocking you. Is there any unconfessed sin?

3. Learn to listen. It is hard to hear God when we are listening to every other voice than His. Pray that God will give you a hearing heart to listen and obey.

4. Have a humble heart. We can not make demands of God. Give Him 100% control.

5. Remember God's love for you.

6. Even when we can't hear His voice, God is constantly speaking to us and giving us direction.

[Guest Butero]

This is not a debate thread, so I am going to just give a couple of verses that show that Jesus can forgive sins.  I do not wish to continue a heated debate over this topic because there is nothing wrong with praying to the Father in Jesus' name.  That is how I generally to pray, but I don't believe we are not allowed to pray to Jesus, and I don't believe we can't go straight to Jesus for forgiveness of sins.  I will give two examples.  

1.  The thief on the cross.  When he asked Jesus for forgiveness, Jesus never told him to go to the Father.  Luke 23:42,43

And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.  And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.  

2.  God the Father has left all judgement to Jesus Christ, which means he decides our eternal fate.  Therefore, it makes sense to come to him for forgiveness of sins.  

John 5:22 "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son."  John 5:26,27 "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;  And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man."  

I am not saying anyone that says we should direct our prayers to the Father is wrong.  I am just saying that Jesus has the power to forgive sins, and we are not told we cannot pray to Jesus.