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No. this may have been satan.

 

God understands English.

 

Was there someone there who spoke the language you spoke?

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6 hours ago, Giller said:

I think you are too critical, were it seems that an unknown tongue is automatically of the devil, as far as your concerned.

Now it looks like you believe that someone can speak in an other tongue such as Chinese etc.

But the bible speaks of both other tongues and unknown tongues.

Be careful in your judgment lest you bring judgment upon your own self,

Yes some things are of God , and other things are not, but that does not mean that all unknown tongues are automatically of the devil.

Yes, unknown to the person.

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     27 REASONS WHY CHRISTIANS SHOULD NEITHER SEEK NOR DESIRE TONGUES.

The Charismatic Movement contends that:

i)     The New Testament gift of tongues should be sought and spoken by ALL Christians today. They seek to revive all gifts, but none are given so great importance as tongues. 

ii)     The tongues gift is the true Biblical sign of the "Baptism in the Spirit." 
iii)     Those receiving tongues receive a second blessing after salvation, enabling them to live more sanctified, powerful and joyful witnessing lives. 
iv)     The tongues movement is claimed to be the "latter rain" revival foretold in Joel 
2:23.

We must test all religious movements on the basis of:
a)     Their doctrines. 2 Timothy 4:2,3 
b)     Their fruits. Matthew 7:15,16 

c)     Their spirits or powers behind a movement. “Test the spirits.” 1 John 4:1-4.. 

Note the following reasons why tongues are not needed for Christians today:

1.    Tongues were classed as one of the lowest gifts. 
    In 1 Corinthians 12:28 tongues are mentioned last in a list of 8 gifts. These are ranked in order of importance because we have "first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues." 
2.     God gives the gifts "according to his own will," not according to our seeking. 
    "Gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will." Hebrews 2:4. 
    1 Corinthians 12:8-11 lists 9 gifts, the last being tongues and interpretation of tongues: 

"For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gift of healing by the same spirit,…. But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."

Note: Tongues were spoken on 3 occasions in Acts (2:4; 10:46; 19:6), but on none of these occasions are the recipients seeking, waiting or expecting to speak in tongues. At Pentecost, only the Apostles (12) spoke in tongues, but all who were saved (3000) received the Holy Spirit (2:38,39).

a)     "Covet earnestly the best gifts”(12:31); tongues are not the best gifts, but one of the least gifts.14:1 
b)     Spiritual gifts could be desired (14:1) but not claimed in faith as a birthright. There is no command to seek them. 
3.    Most modern tongues are a learned behaviour. 

    People are told to blank out their mind and say whatever comes out; then go home and practice it. This is foreign to the New Testament. 
4.     Tongues speakers may be deceived. 
    Because a person speaks unintelligible sounds, it is not proof that he has the N.T. gift of tongues. Few Charismatics are prepared to examine tongues. We must “prove all things” (1 Thess. 5:21). How do you prove that tongues are genuine languages? In 1 Corinthians 14:27-29, Paul discusses wrong tongues which are not interpreted in the church, and wrong prophecy, thus teaching that others need to judge a prophecy. Tongues have been spoken by heathen religions, Mormons, etc.. 

5.    Tongues were a sign of God's wrath, displeasure and judgment on unbelieving Israel, never a sign of His blessing and approval on Christians. 
    "Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe,but to them that believe not"1 Cor.14:22 

a)     Acts 10:44-47; 11:16-18. Tongues used by Cornelius' household was a sign to unbelieving Peter and unbelieving Jewish Christians, that Gentiles were to be received into the family of God. In Acts 11:15 the phrase "as on us at the beginning" means that tongues had not been spoken since Pentecost which was 10 years earlier. 

b)     "Forbid not to speak in tongues" (1 Corinthians 14:39) was always on the understanding that tongues was a valid sign to warn Jewish unbelievers, until judgment came in 70AD. You don’t warn people after judgment has come. 
c)     In meetings where there were no unbelieving Jews, all teaching, praying etc. was to be in the language of those present (1 Corinthians 14:23-28). 1 Corinthians 14:19 states that in the church, 5 words understood are better than 10,000 words in tongues that are not understood. 
d)     Israel wanted signs, but the church must live by faith. “An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign.” (Matthew 12:39). 
e)     The Corinthians were using tongues as a mark of spirituality, for personal gratification, and to gain attention. Paul rebukes this childish, selfish practice. 
6.     Tongues is one of several temporary gifts. 
i)     Apostles. "are built upon the foundation of the apostles 
ii)     Prophets, …and prophets." Ephesians 2:20. 
    Neither they nor the Lord appointed any successors to their office. "12 apostles of the Lamb." (Revelation 21:14). There are no Apostles or prophets alive today. 
iii)     Knowledge. This was intuitive, revealed knowledge of doctrine before the Bible was completed. A completed, perfect Bible ended this gift along with prophecy in 96AD.1 Corinthians 13:8-13. Today we must study to gain Bible knowledge. 2 Timothy 2:15. (1 Corinthians 14:21,22. 
iv)     Tongues. With the setting aside of Israel in 70 AD, tongues and other sign gifts ceased. 
v)     Interpretation of tongues - ceased in 70 AD when tongues ceased. 

iv) Gifts of healing. Paul lost this gift, as he could not heal Epaphroditus in 64AD (Phil. 2:26,27), Timothy's stomach in 65AD (1 Timothy 5:23) nor Trophimus in 66AD (2 Timothy 4:20). In Acts 5:12-16, Peter healed every one in 33 AD.

vii)     Gift of miracles -no one can work miracles today at their will as could the first century apostles. 
viii)     Discerning of spirits - no one today has this gift because discernment comes through Bible knowledge of strong meat, full age Christians who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil (Hebrews 5:14). No one today would claim infallible judgment always in every issue of life, which is what this gift demands (1 Corinthians 12:10). 

7.    Historically, tongues ceased after 63-70 AD. 
    Tongues were withdrawn when Israel deliberately rejected the apostles testimony of Christ, as seen in Acts 28:22-28 where Paul pronounces God's judgment on Israel (63AD). Judgment fell in 70AD. In all New Testament epistles written after this pronouncement in 63AD (Romans; Ephesians; Philippians; Colossians; 1 & 2 Timothy; Titus; Philemon; Hebrews; 1&2 Peter; John; 1,2 & 3 John; Jude and Revelation) there is no mention of tongues. Why? Because with the setting aside of Israel, and the 

confirming of the word of God, sign gifts were no longer necessary. These facts of the gospel and the apostles message of the Bible having been established, confirmed, and authenticated for all time, it is now an act of unbelief to seek for signs today.

Early church writers such as Polycarp, Papias, Cyprian, Chrysostom, Augustine, Origen, Clement of Rome, Justin Martyr etc. never mentioned tongues. Why? Because they had been withdrawn. Chrysostom says: "tongues....used to occur, but now no longer take place."

8.    Modern tongues and Charismatic Movement is not another Pentecost or "latter rain" of Joel 2:23. 

    Joel's prophecy discusses Israel's restoration to their land in the Millennium. When this happens, and not before, the Holy Spirit will be poured out on all flesh. What happened at Pentecost was only an illustration, a small sample of what will happen in the Millennium. At Pentecost, there were no signs in the sun, moon etc, thus indicating that Joel's prophecy is to be fulfilled in the future Millennium. Joel said nothing about tongues being a sign of renewal. This age will end in apostasy and departure from the Faith, not in Joel's revival. KEY: “Afterward” in Joel 2:28 means that the Spirit will be poured on all flesh after Christ’s second coming, and not before. 

9.     Tongues is not a sign of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. 

    "For by one Spirit are we all baptised into one body." 1 Corinthians 12:13. 
i)     All believers have the Holy Spirit Baptism. 
    "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Romans 8:9. 
ii)     All believers have the Holy Spirit, but few believers spoke in tongues. 

If we have received Jesus Christ as Saviour, we also have the Holy Spirit in us, because we cannot separate members of the Godhead.

10.    Tongues were never intended to edify the speaker himself or the church. 
1)    "He that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort," 
1
Corinthians 14:3.
"For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted." 1
Corinthians 14:31.

The edification, exhortation, learning and comfort of the local church was always the responsibility of the one who prophesied (gave instruction in an understandable language).

ii)     "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself," (1 Corinthians 14:4) does not teach that personal holiness is found in tongues speaking. On the contrary it describes the Corinthians selfishness who used tongues for personal pleasure and public display. Tongues speaking in a church does not instruct, edify, warn or strengthen believers. Holiness through tongues will always be shallow because it is based on feelings, not on Biblical edification. 
iii)     Of all the tongues spoken today, new prophesies, new revelations and visions, not one iota of truth have been added to the inspired scriptures. 
11.    Tongues were never intended for prayer, praise or worship of God. 

    "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the Spirit he speaketh mysteries." 1 Corinthians 14:2. 

    God does not need to be spoken to in a foreign language. This verse teaches that the Corinthians were using the gift of tongues out of place. Tongues were meant to be spoken to men, that is to JEWS. A person praying or singing in tongues simply spoke 
"mysteries" in his own spirit. He received no real benefit, the hearers were not helped, and God was not glorified. Prayer and praise must be with understanding in the common language. "What is it then? I will pray with the Spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also.....Else.....how shall.....the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks?" 1 Corinthians 14:15,16.

This is not two different kinds of prayer, but two conditions of all prayer, praying in the leading of the Holy Spirit and with an understanding mind. If understanding is not present, hearers cannot say "Amen" to your prayer.

12.    Tongues is not a sign of salvation. 

    Assurance of salvation comes from faith in God’s Bible promises, not from any feelings of tongues. 
13.     Tongues is not a condition of keeping us saved. 
    Pentecostalism, as a movement, does not believe in the eternal security of the believer who trusts in Christ alone for salvation. Many Charismatics think that their future preservation depends on continuing in the Charismatic experience. Many fear of grieving the Spirit and losing the power, and hence losing salvation. Some Charismatics do believe in the security of a believer in Christ. 

14.     Tongues are not a means of attaining holiness. 

    The nine fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5:22,23 have no relation to tongues. The Corinthians came behind in no gift (I Corinthians 1:7), yet Paul called them carnal and babes (1 Corinthians 3:1). True spirituality is not determined by one's experience, gift or feelings, but by inner godly character (e.g. 1 Peter 3:4, "a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price", for ladies.) It is right to be happy, joyful and to praise the Lord, but valuable character is better seen in times of testing, persecution, misunderstanding and suffering. 

15.     All spiritual gifts should exalt Christ, not the Holy Spirit. 

    Many Charismatics exalt the Holy Spirit above Christ. The Holy Spirit seeks to exalt Christ (John 15:26; 16:14). Hence the mark of a Spirit filled believer is that in life and speech, he glorifies Christ. (1 Corinthians 12:3). 

    “Christ shall be magnified in my body." Philippians 1:20; 3:8. 
    All gifts are given so that we may grow to the "fullness of Christ." Ephesians 4:13. Charismatics use the earthly, human title "Jesus", as did demons. No disciple ever addressed the Lord as "Jesus", but as Lord, Christ or Master, or Lord Jesus Christ. Let us give Christ His full honour as the Lord Jesus Christ. 

16.     All gifts were given to produce church unity and harmony. 
    All gifts were given that there be no schism in the body (1 Corinthians 12:25). Truth unites, error divides. The continual search for tongues, healing, prophecy, gifts etc., has split many churches, broken friendships and divided homes. The Charismatic Movement claims a new kind of unity not based on Bible doctrine, but on having the tongues experience. One can be a "spirit-filled" tongues speaker and believe almost anything. Many Christians who a few years ago opposed the heretical World Council of Churches, now cheerfully unite with Catholic Charismatic renewal, hence compromising essential Bible truths. 

17.     Tongues and all spiritual gifts were to promote order and peace. 

    "God is not the author of confusion but of peace." 1 Corinthians 14:33. "Let all things be done decently and in order." 1 Corinthians 14:40. 
    Church services should have one person speaking or praying at a time. In today's Charismatic meetings, there is much unrestrained noise, singing, clapping, shouting, tongues and dancing. 

18.    No Christian should surrender control of his mind and will. 

    Paul insisted that tongues and prophecy speakers should retain control of their mind and understanding: 
    "If there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church." 1 Corinthians 14:28. "The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets." 1 Corinthians 14:32. Famous Charismatic leader, Oral Roberts, instructs tongues speakers as follows: 

    "We have to by-pass our mind and make it inactive for the moment. The mind slips into the background when we are praying in tongues and remains in a state of neutrality." [“Baptism With The Holy Spirit,” 1966, p. 42.] 
    New Age occult seminars similarly tell people to blank out their minds to yield control to some higher force, which in reality is to demons. 
    The New Testament never asks us to lay aside our sound mind, our self-control, our judgment or our reason, but to exercise these faculties in accordance with God's Word. Charismatics are told to overcome their inhibitions by by-passing their minds. People are brainwashed in cults like Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons and the Charismatic Movement by surrendering their minds and wills to the group or leader. The danger for a believer who submits his mind without resistance to outside influences to receive tongues, is: 

a)     He opens himself up to psychic and demonic deception and control. 
b)     He can place himself beyond the protection of the Holy Spirit, by asking for things contrary to God's will. 
19.     The last days will be characterised by deception, signs, lying wonders and more demon activity 

    Satan has always opposed believers and God's work. Satan opposes us as an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:14). The Corinthian believers were open to Satanic deception of another Jesus, another spirit, and another gospel (11:4) as Satan’s ministers come as ministers of righteousness (11:15). 
    "There shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." (Matthew 24:24). 
    In Old Testament times God permitted false prophets to work miracles in order to test His people. 
    Two tests of false prophets are: 
a)     If he performs signs to turn you away from the Lord. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5). 
b)     If he speaks in the name of the Lord, but the prophecy does not come to pass. (Deut.18:20-22). 
Isaiah 8:19 describes familiar spirits that "peep and mutter", like tongues.
Israel rejected the Word of God for more sensational dealings with the spirit world. Many see the Charismatic Movement as a Satanic deception permitted by God to test Christendom, and to pave the way for the Antichrist and the one world united Babylon religion of the last days.
"Even him (Antichrist) whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness....." 2 Thessalonians 2: 9,10. "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me ye that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:22,23).

20.    Charismatics confuse Baptism in the Spirit (a once only experience at salvation -1 Cor. 12:13) with the filling of the Spirit (a continual daily experience for service obtained by confessing sin, prayer, and yielding to Christ. (Ephesians 5:18). 
21.    Doctrinal compromise. 

    Ministers who deny fundamental Bible truths such as the virgin birth, verbal inspiration, creation, etc. are often warmly welcomed and accepted if they claim a Charismatic experience. Charismatics warmly accept Roman Catholic priests and people who continue to seek salvation through the sacraments, who still pray to Mary, and still celebrate the mass. Doctrinal errors are ignored to keep Charismatic unity. 

22.     Most Charismatics are not diligent students of Scripture. 

    One can remain comfortable in his false beliefs as long as he refuses to face Biblical evidence to the contrary. One Australian Charismatic pastor could not find the book of Daniel in his Bible. He had to look up the table of contents. He thought Daniel was near Exodus. 

23.     Emphasis on Experience. 
    Personal experience is a great enemy of truth. When confronted with a mass of Biblical evidence, most Charismatics typically reply: "I know I am right. I have experienced tongues or healing myself. I have seen a prophet make correct predictions. I have seen people healed. The Bible teachings must have another explanation." 
    Tongues is mostly a learned behaviour. If you blank out your mind, anyone can say gibberish. Most healings are temporary and are achieved by hypnotherapy. What about the false predictions? These make him a false prophet. Studies show that most Charismatic healings revert back to the illness. Hypnotise a person, tell them they feel better, and they will feel better, for a time, but later they revert back to the illness. 

24.     New Revelations. 

    Charismatics continually claim to receive extra-Biblical revelations from God by tongues, prophecy, visions and dreams. Cults and Catholicism also claim revelations outside the Bible. 
25.     Damage to the local church. 

    Many Charismatics use a local church as a base for propaganda purposes to invite people to a home Bible study and prayer group governed by self-appointed spiritual leaders who instruct in tongues and try to heal people. A local church seems too confined, compared with many people from many churches coming together for a Charismatic rally. 

26.     Laxity and moral danger. 

    Some Charismatics think that they have "arrived" spiritually. They often lack motivation to press on further. The goal has been attained. Time for relaxation has come. Such carelessness explains much worldliness, sin and a rock music party atmosphere among Charismatics. Some receive "revelations" to divorce their spouse and remarry another person. Truth and reason then take a back seat. 

27.     Move back to Rome. 

    The Charismatic Movement reversed the decline of the Ecumenical Movement from 1960. It is not a threat to Rome. Both emphasise emotionalism, miracles, healing, and the lack of final Bible authority. Charismaticism is not true Protestantism because it is not solely based on the Bible. 

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16 hours ago, KiwiChristian said:

No. this was Satan.

 

Where is the fear of the Lord with this Post? Where is the love of God even if you don't agree? How is this edifying? Do you realize that if this post is wrong and this was the Holy Spirit speaking giving the utterance than this statement ( No. this was Satan ) is blaspheming the Holy Spirit of God? 

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7 hours ago, firestormx said:

Where is the fear of the Lord with this Post? Where is the love of God even if you don't agree? How is this edifying? Do you realize that if this post is wrong and this was the Holy Spirit speaking giving the utterance than this statement ( No. this was Satan ) is blaspheming the Holy Spirit of God? 

Oh, i DO fear the Lord.

 

Yes, of course i could be wrong.

 

As could YOU.

 

Maybe i should of said "It COULD be satan".

 

the problem _I_ see with pentecostals is that anyone who does NOT jibber jabber or does not believe in it is not as "spiritual" as those that do.

 

I can only speak for myself. I prefer to KNOW what i am praying about.

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I am VERY sorry if i offended anyone with my reply.

 

I need to try to be not as harsh or upfront.

 

I pray for your forgiveness.

 

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On 9/3/2017 at 4:33 PM, Giller said:

I cannot speak for your experience, but personally I have experienced speaking tongues, and do speak in tongues every now and again, especially when I get touched of the Spirit at certain moments.

Yes the gift of tongues is real.

Now there are true unknown tongues, and also fake unknown tongues, but the true unknown tongues, will always in some form draw you closer to God.

True tongues motivated by the Spirit of God, will never produce the ways of the works of the flesh (Gal. 5:19-21), but rather will bring your attention towards God, it will get you into a place of adoration towards God  in some way, in some form, and in some cases it will do other things.

No, it is not real. it is jibber jabber.

 

If tongues are necessary, why did none of the 5,000 who believed and received the Holy Spirit in Acts 2-4, also speak in tongues?


Answer: Because tongues are not an evidence of Baptism of the Holy Spirit. For something to be normal for everybody, it must happen to everyone. And it did not happen to everybody. Consider that of all the 16 salvation events described in Acts, only 2 groups spoke in tongues:


1. Acts 2........................... 3,000 at Pentecost................................. no tongues
2. Acts 3, 4....................... 5,000 at the Beautiful gate.................... no tongues
3. Acts 5:14...................... Multitudes saved................................... no tongues
4. Acts 8:17...................... Samaritan believers............................... no tongues
5. Acts 8:37-39................. Ethiopian eunuch.................................. no tongues
6. Acts 9........................... Saul on Damascus road........................ no tongues
7. Acts 10:46.................... Cornelius' household......................... tongues
8. Acts 11:19-24……….... Greeks saved at Antioch………………. no tongues
9. Acts 16:14, 15.............. Lydia.................................................... no tongues
10. Acts 16:16-19............... Demonised damsel................................ no tongues
11. Acts 16:25-34............... Philippian jailer and his household....... no tongues
12. Acts 17:1-4................... Thessalonian believers.......................... no tongues
13. Acts 17:10-12............... Berean believers.................................... no tongues
14. Acts 17:15-34............... Athenian believers................................ no tongues
15. Acts 18:8...................... Crispus and Corinthians at salvation..... no tongues
16. Acts 19:1-12................. 12 disciples of John at Ephesus.... tongues
17. Acts 19:18-20............... Ephesian believers................................ no tongues
18. Acts 28:23,24............... Roman believers.................................... no tongues

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2 hours ago, KiwiChristian said:

Yes, of course, I could be wrong.

Maybe I should have said, "It COULD be satan".

 

 

1 hour ago, KiwiChristian said:

I am VERY sorry if i offended anyone with my reply.

The Bible teaches to try the spirits to see if they be Holy. To not believe every spirit. So the Bible teaches that it is wise to be cautious with matters such as this. People can't see your heart or motive through a computer monitor. I believe your heart is in the right place. Why else would you say the above, otherwise?

 People have different experiences with God. My Mom for example in one church service when we lived in Alaska during the altar call went to pray. The Holy Spirit fell on her very hard and she began to speak in tongues. ( not all that uncommon for her back then ). She didn't understand anything she said. Over a short period of time, everyone else stopped praying and all you could hear was my mom. It didn't sound like what she said made any sense. Many would say it sounded like jibberish. After a little bit, she got done praying, got up from the Altar and went back to her seat. No interpretation was given. Then after the service was completely over as she was leaving she was approached by a family. The oldest member of the family, an elderly woman, began speaking to my mom but not in English. My mom tried to explain she couldn't understand anything this woman was saying. Then one of the other people begun to explain to my mom what happened. The elderly Woman only spoke the Eskimo language native to her people. When the Spirit of God come upon my mom she had begun to speak about Jesus Christ and all the wonderful things about him in this Eskimo language. This woman thought my mom must speak the language. After a minute everything was explained to the woman, whom just wanted to be in the house of God. The only church for her to come to was ours, as she was far from home visiting family.

 This story is 100% true. We never know what someone else might have experienced with God. To my mom, it was just praying in tongues as she had done countless times before. To this other woman, it was a touch from God. We just don't know, which is why I try to advise to be cautious with this subject. Just because it may sound like jibberish to some, doesn't mean it is. I apologize to you if I upset you with my response. God bless

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On 9/2/2017 at 4:27 AM, GApeach678 said:

About 7 months ago I was laying down and praying in the back of my truck and I had my first experience with tongues in my entire 5 year Christian walk... all of a sudden my tongue started to ''roll'' in my mouth and my jaw started making strange movements... then I just blurted out tongues for about 5-10 seconds and that was it. I had never done it before that or even desired to.

 

About a week ago I prayed for the gift of tongues but didn't think too much about it. Today, while I was praying out loud regularly, I started talking with a lisp... and for a few minutes I started sticking my tongue out of my mouth, unable to speak clearly, almost spitting everywhere, I had no idea what was going on... then the praying in tongues came out again, this time for over 20 minutes.

Do I have the gift of tongues? Or are these just random occurrences? What was your experience with tongues like? I can't do it on command, it seems to be only spirit led... Is this normal?

Some will tell you that you cannot have the gift of tongues because God promised to end all spiritual gifts just as soon as the Apostle John died. Which of course is a totally made up doctrine.

So whether or not you do or do not actually have the gift of tongues - has nothing at all to do with making stuff up like that.

Now the question is -- what is the Bible definition for the gift of tongues.  In Acts 2 it is clearly known languages that other people know but you did not take the time to learn.

That is irrefutable.

What about 1 Cor 14? In 1 Cor 14 Tongues "is a sign to non-believers" -- so then just as in Acts 2 -- when non-believers saw the gift of tongues and that it resulted in clear communication in their own native language which the Jews in Jerusalem were not likely to know -- it was "a sign" to unbelievers". At no point in your description above do you claim to have this.

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