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On 9/6/2017 at 0:10 AM, mr. R said:

I have realized that there are several videos at Youtube and several texts on blogs about the "prophecy" at 23rd September 2017. For instance, this video made by this likely Pentecostal Evangelical pastor has already reached 6.5 million of views!!

In summary, what he explains there is the following:

  • Revelation 12:1-2

     

  • At 23rd September this year, the sky will have this particular set of position in the cosmos(from the Earth point of view):
  1. the Constellation of Virgo(symbolized by a virgin woman) will have the moon below it
  2. the sun near to it and 12 stars above it(9 stars from the Constellation of Leo + Mercury + Venus + Mars)
  3. Jupiter(often referred to the "king of gods" in ancient Roman mythology) will travel in a spiral way through the "belly" of the Constellation of Virgo for 9 months before the planet "goes out" of it

Actually I'm not sure if I can believe in that. What do you think? Is he and all other people who are claiming that 23rd September will be a "Sign for the End of Times" right? According to my "spiritual intuition" I think he may be right, this day may happen some unexpected divine sign, that is, a Warning for humanity that they are going in the wrong way.

 

 

It seems like every year there is a day in the month of September that something big is supposed to happen and never does.  Big claims are made then when nothing happens, the false prophets have to re-explain and modify what they originally claimed as if everyone is to dumb to recall what they actually said.

September 23 will come and go and nothing will happen.  There is no sign of the end times.  It's like when everyone was worried about the eclipse and the blood moons and nothing happened.

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Shiloh357 is correct

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3 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

It seems like every year there is a day in the month of September that something big is supposed to happen and never does.  Big claims are made then when nothing happens, the false prophets have to re-explain and modify what they originally claimed as if everyone is to dumb to recall what they actually said.

September 23 will come and go and nothing will happen.  There is no sign of the end times.  It's like when everyone was worried about the eclipse and the blood moons and nothing happened.

well, the sign will be in the heavens.....   as to what it is supposed to mean, it seems everyone has an idea that is different.....   even yours of nothing.           the last quarter of the year is going to be very interesting from a lot of things festering across the world.

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On 9/6/2017 at 8:10 AM, mr. R said:

I have realized that there are several videos at Youtube and several texts on blogs about the "prophecy" at 23rd September 2017. For instance, this video made by this likely Pentecostal Evangelical pastor has already reached 6.5 million of views!!

In summary, what he explains there is the following:

  • Revelation 12:1-2

     

  • At 23rd September this year, the sky will have this particular set of position in the cosmos(from the Earth point of view):
  1. the Constellation of Virgo(symbolized by a virgin woman) will have the moon below it
  2. the sun near to it and 12 stars above it(9 stars from the Constellation of Leo + Mercury + Venus + Mars)
  3. Jupiter(often referred to the "king of gods" in ancient Roman mythology) will travel in a spiral way through the "belly" of the Constellation of Virgo for 9 months before the planet "goes out" of it

Actually I'm not sure if I can believe in that. What do you think? Is he and all other people who are claiming that 23rd September will be a "Sign for the End of Times" right? According to my "spiritual intuition" I think he may be right, this day may happen some unexpected divine sign, that is, a Warning for humanity that they are going in the wrong way.

 

 

In my opinion that day is not going to be an outstanding prophetic day. Do you trust astrology?  A really encouraging thing is that as against all other predictions it is near. Short term predictions are very brave at least. Will be waiting for the day.

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7 minutes ago, vlad said:

In my opinion that day is not going to be an outstanding prophetic day. Do you trust astrology?  A really encouraging thing is that as against all other predictions it is near. Short term predictions are very brave at least. Will be waiting for the day.

Well, it seems that the sign will definitely be there.....   what it means is a whole different story...

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9 hours ago, eileenhat said:

There will be no rapture style event (been clear about that).

Events in Revelations are almost entirely of a spiritual sort and thus a mystery.

You might wonder then why write it.  Because the resurrected saints will need it as they will be capable of revealing its mysteries and it has woken people up to the fact that prayer is what is required for this time, by everyone else (ie. repenting of our past transgressions or face judgement now, as indeed judgement is here).

What does Prayer and all that you answer me have to do with you falsely set date to 31 october and claim it to be from God ?

 

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On 9/8/2017 at 11:12 PM, mr. R said:

well...could you show us any documents, writings, pope's speeches (not broadcasted by Fake News a.k.a. CNN) , etc to back up your claim?

i know lots of youtube videos pointing to a Vatican or Jesuit order conspiracy but as far as I have researched about 90% of them are totally false. Actually i have realized lots of conspiracy relating to Pope Francis, but I could not see any concrete proof to back up those crazy stories.

Yes, I could spend the time proving it beyond a doubt, but it would take up too much of my time. Ninety percent of my assertions can be researched on the official Vatican and Catholic websites. 

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On 9/7/2017 at 9:18 AM, other one said:

I have always been told that Revelation isn't in Chronological order.  

 

It seems to be in chronological order. Chapter 1... Things which thou hast seen (past). Chapter 2-3... Things which are in John's day (present). Chapters 4-22... Things which shall be hereafter. 

Chapters 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, are called parenthetical chapters, meaning they only provide / insert additional information for the prior or next chapter. It all make good sense to me now.

Not trying to sell anything, but a good explanation of the structure and content of Revelation for under $20.00, is a Revelation Study Guide, 86 pages, by Evangelist Dan Goodwin if anyone's interested. As with many Bible teachers, I don't agree 100% with his theology, but I sure did learn a lot about Revelation and its structure.

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On 9/6/2017 at 1:10 PM, mr. R said:

I have realized that there are several videos at Youtube and several texts on blogs about the "prophecy" at 23rd September 2017. For instance, this video made by this likely Pentecostal Evangelical pastor has already reached 6.5 million of views!!

In summary, what he explains there is the following:

  • Revelation 12:1-2

     

  • At 23rd September this year, the sky will have this particular set of position in the cosmos(from the Earth point of view):
  1. the Constellation of Virgo(symbolized by a virgin woman) will have the moon below it
  2. the sun near to it and 12 stars above it(9 stars from the Constellation of Leo + Mercury + Venus + Mars)
  3. Jupiter(often referred to the "king of gods" in ancient Roman mythology) will travel in a spiral way through the "belly" of the Constellation of Virgo for 9 months before the planet "goes out" of it

Actually I'm not sure if I can believe in that. What do you think? Is he and all other people who are claiming that 23rd September will be a "Sign for the End of Times" right? According to my "spiritual intuition" I think he may be right, this day may happen some unexpected divine sign, that is, a Warning for humanity that they are going in the wrong way.

 

 

Hello Mr R

That all may happen, who knows, but it definately does not interpret Rev 12.

Remember the "falling away" is already here.  The truth has fallen away, and there are so many false interpretations of scripture by the shepherds who are blocking the flock from the truth (unknowingly) 

The truth,..... the sheep will not recognise, it will seem strange to them because they never heard it or never put the scriptures together to get that clear picture.

We have a spiritual Father, and Mother, and we do not even know it.  Our mother is our teacher, the true doctrine of God.  Her name is Zion.  She does not represent the movement in the sky, but the WORD OF THE LORD, his doctrine, ...the truth.  She is also known as Holy Jerusalem, the kingdom of God,...that kingdom where truth, righteousness and holiness dwells.  We learn off her..and she is teaching us how to behave under the kingdom of God. 

Galatians 4:26   But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Some say this woman is Israel which is below?  God said she is from above, because she is heavenly, and not of the earth.  Behold our mother!  She is nurturing her children so that they can also be born out of her teachings at the resurrection.  BORN AGAIN, but this time of the spirit.  This woman will go through labour pains again, and in one day all her children will be born.

If we are following all these false teachings, then at the birth we will be still born, because of undernourishment.  The world is in such darkness now, and the other mother....the Mother of Harlots, who is of Babylon's kingdom,....Babylon's mother, is trying her hardest to draw us away into her city of confusion and become one with her children.

So lets rely on our own mother.  She is teaching us all the do's and dont's.  One of the biggest dont's is not to feed on strange flesh.  Mans teachings.  All these books and video's are sent to deceive and confuse.  Just rely on what is in the scriptures, to see what God personally wants to show you, and understanding will be given.  Connect all the scriptures, and a clear picture will emerge.

 Psalms 20:2   Send thee help from the sanctuary, and strengthen thee out of Zion;

Jeremiah 51:24   And I will render unto Babylon and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea all their evil that they have done in Zion in your sight, saith the LORD.

 Zechariah 2:7   Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.
 

 Amos 1:2   And he said, The LORD will roar from Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the habitations of the shepherds shall mourn, and the top of Carmel shall wither.

 

 

 

 

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1The word of the Lord came to me: 
2“Son of man, speak to your people and say to them: ‘When I bring the sword against a land, and the people of the land choose one of their men and make him their watchman, 
3and he sees the sword coming against the land and blows the trumpet to warn the people, 
4then if anyone hears the trumpet but does not heed the warning and the sword comes and takes their life, their blood will be on their own head. 
5Since they heard the sound of the trumpet but did not heed the warning, their blood will be on their own head. If they had heeded the warning, they would have saved themselves. 
6But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes someone’s life, that person’s life will be taken because of their sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for their blood.’

(1.) The Four Blood Moons Picture - http://yowusa.com/space/2014/space-2014-02a/blood-moon2.jpg
(2.) 8/21/17 & 4/8/24 Total Solar Eclipse Picture - http://eclipse.siu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2017-2024.jpg
(3.) Rev 12:1-2 Picture - https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XXxVwpcXV0U/maxresdefault.jpg
(4.) Rev 12:1-5 Picture - https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oRCx47PPo4E/hqdefault.jpg
(5.) Planet X Picture - http://godinanutshell.com/2017/01/17/red-dragon/

1 week = 7 years 2017-2024 - Dan 9:27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

History
(1.) The four blood moons of 2014-2015 were warning signs pointing to 9/23/17 Joel 2:31
(2.) 9/23/17 is not a warning sign, rather it will be the action 1 Thess 5:3
(3.) 1897, 1917, 1947, 1967, 2017 are all important Israel dates and Jubilee's 1897 + 120 = 2017 Gen 6:3
(4.) Fig Tree Generation - 1947 + 70 years = 2017 Psa 90:10, Matt 24:32-35
(5.) Rev 12:1-5 only occurs once in Stellarium in 7,000 years, on 9/23/17

The Word Rapture
(6.) The Feast of Trumpets represents rapture, the appointed time (Gen 1:14 moed/seasons) (Lev 23:2 moed/festivals) 
(7.) The word harpazo/rapture is a part of the Rev 12:1-5 sign, in Rev 12:5
(8.) The Latin translation for rapture is rapturo, in Greek it's harpazo
(9.) In Dan 12:11, we are the sacrifice taken away that kicks off the 1290 days (Isa 53:11 amal/trouble, Rev 7:14 thlipsis/trouble), Rom 8:17, Rom 12:1, Rom 15:16, 1 Cor 15:31, 2 Cor 1:5, Gal 2:20, Phil 2:17, Phil 3:10, Col 1:24
(10.) Rapture before tribulation is here Gen 19:21-22, Lev 12:1-8, Psa 18:2, Psa 27:5, Isa 26:17-21, Isa 66:7-8, John 14:1-4, Luke 21:34-36, 1 Thess 5:9-10, (Jude 1:14, Rev 19:14 saints coming back to earth), Rev 3:10, Rev 4:4, Rev 5:5, Rev 12:1-5

The Heavens
(11.) Virgo gives birth to Jupiter in September of 2017
(12.) Virgo is Israel (our mother) Isa 50:1, Jer 3:8, (Micah 5:2 Ephrathah/an Israelite woman), Gal 4:26, and Jupiter is the body of Christ (the child) Isa 66:7-9, Matt 13:38, Luke 20:36, John 12:36, Rom 8:14-17, Gal 3:26, Col 1:18, 1 Thess 5:5, Rev 12:5
(13.) The sun, moon, stars, planets, constellations are for signs, times, days, years, seasons Gen 1:14, Job 38:31-32, Psa 19:1-6, Psa 104:19, Psa 136:7, Isa 40:26, Luke 21:25-28
(14.) The Rev 12:1-5 sign is also connected to Planet X in Rev 12:3-4, (Rev chapter 12&13/red dragon and mark of the beast), Enuma Elish by L. W. King or by Doug Elwell

The Head / Body
(15.) John uses the words "huios" and "teknon" in Rev 12:5, head and body Col 1:18
(16.) The head (Jesus Christ) was birthed 2,000 years ago when He ascended to heaven Acts 1:1-11
(17.) The body (the church) however was conceived 2,000 years ago at Pentecost, not birthed Acts 2:1-4
(18.) Life begins at conception, not birth Psa 139:13-16, Jer 1:4-5, Matt 1:20, Acts 2:1-4 (Roe v. Wade)
(19.) The body (the church) has been in gestation for 2,000 years up until now (Isa 53:11 amal/trouble, Rev 7:14 thlipsis/trouble), Luke 22:39-46, (Acts 2:24 ódin/agony of death/childbirth), Rom 6:1-5, Rom 8:22-23, 2 Cor 5:1-5, Phil 3:20-21
(20.) Each time a person gets saved, they get put into the body of Christ John 3:16, John 5:24, John 6:35-40, John 10:25-30, Rom 4:7, Rom 6:1-5, Rom 8:38-39, 1 Cor 15:12-19, Eph 1:13-14, Eph 4:30, Heb 6:18-19, Heb 9:12, Heb 10:11-14, 1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 5:9-14, 2 John 1:2.
(21.) The birth of the body into incorruptible seed is next, through rapture event Rom 6:1-5, 1 Cor 9:25, 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Pet 1:4, 1 Pet 1:23, Rev 12:5
(22.) John uses "teknon" (the church) once in Rev 12:4 and once in Rev 12:5
(23.) The body of Christ is raptured before the dragon devours us, (the moment he was born) Rev 12:4-5

2017 - 2024 Time Line
(24.) The first four feasts have already been fulfilled 2,000 years ago
(25.) The last three feasts are still future, and the Feast of Trumpets is next on 9/21/17
(26.) The Rev 12:1-5 sign lands two days after the Feast of Trumpets (Feast starts 1290 days in Dan 12:11)
(27.) The abomination of desolation then lands on Passover Sabbath on 4/2/21 Dan 9:27, Dan 11:31, Dan 12:11, Matt 24:15
(28.) The second coming of Christ then lands on the Day of Atonement on 9/13/24 Isa 24:23, Isa 37:32, Eze 16:63, Joe 2:32, Oba 1:17, Oba 1:21, Mic 4:7, Zech 14:4
(29.) The 1000 year reign with Christ then begins 75 days later on 11/26/24 (24th day/9th month on Hebrew Calendar) Hagg 2:10, 18, 20

Conclusion
(30.) Rapture, the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel all point to a woman in labor Isa 13:6-8, Isa 26:17-21, Isa 66:7-9, Jer 30:6-7, Jer 49:24, (Micah 5:2-4 / Verse 2 Time of Jesus / Verse 3 Church Age / Verse 4 Millennium), 1 Thess 5:1-3
(31.) The Rev 12:1-5 sign also points to rapture, the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel (Rev 12:1-5 woman in labor giving birth)
(32.) John breaks the rules of Greek grammar, birth before tribulation (rapture before 70th week) Isa 66:7-8, Rev 12:5
(33.) The body of Christ will rule and reign with Christ himself with an iron scepter, as kings and priests Psa 2:9, Dan 7:18, 22, Matt 19:28, Rom 8:17, 1 Cor 6:2-3, Rev 1:5-6, Rev 2:26-27, Rev 3:21, Rev 4:4, Rev 5:10-11, Rev 7:9, Rev 12:5, Rev 20:4-6, Rev 22:5

Side Note: 1 Jubilee = 50 years
(1.) From Adam to Noah (Flood) 40 x 50 or 40 Jubilee cycles = 2000 years  (Seed)
(2.) Abraham to Christ (Cross) 40 x 50 or 40 Jubilee cycles = 2000 years (Young Plant)
(3.) Christ to now 40 x 50 or 40 Jubilee cycles = 2000 years (Harvest)
(4.) 40 x 3 = 120 Jubilees -- 2000 x 3 = 6000 years -- Gen 6:3

Side Note: Jesus commands the believer to wake up Prov 8:34-36, Matt 24:42-44, Luke 21:34-36, Rom 13:11, 1 Thess 5:1-11, 1 Pet 4:17, Rev 3:1-3
Side Note: The church sitting on thrones, (surrounding God's throne), with authority to judge, as kings and priests Dan 7:18, 22, Matt 19:28, Rom 8:17, 1 Cor 6:2-3, Rev 1:5-6, Rev 2:26-27, Rev 3:21, Rev 4:4, Rev 5:10-11, Rev 7:9, Rev 12:5, Rev 20:4-6, Rev 22:5
Side Note: The twenty-four elders (the church/martyrs) playing harps in heaven Psa 33:2, Rev 5:8, Rev 14:2-3, Rev 15:2
Side Note: The church has many names and is also considered male Isa 66:7-9, Matt 13:38, Luke 20:36, John 12:36, Rom 8:14, Gal 3:26, 1 Thess 5:5, Rev 12:5
Side Note: 9/28/15 Super Blood Moon to 9/23/17 Rev 12:1-2 sign is 726 days, and Strong's 726 is.. http://biblehub.com/greek/726.htm

1  A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.   
2  She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.   
3  Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads.   
4  Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born.   
5  She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne.

Salvation scriptures can be found in John 3:3-7, John 3:16, John 14:6, Acts 4:12, Rom 6:23, Rom 10:9-10. - Heb 13:8

http://www.torahcalendar.com/
https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadd.html
http://www.unsealed.org/2017/08/conservative-scholars-agree-male-child.html
 

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