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19 hours ago, Sojourner414 said:

So then a few questions if I may:

1) Since you believe that humans have no "free will", does that then mean that God forced you to believe that there is no free will, and forced me and Cobalt1969 to believe that there is?

2) If that is the case, then who is right, since God is forcing you to choose one and me and Cobalt to choose another?

3) And if that is the case, isn't God contradicting Himself then by forcing us to choose differently from one another, no matter what the truth is?

Fallen man will according to his nature freely choose what he will wear or eat etc.. but since he is born a hater of God and is dead in sins he will NOT choose the things of God, as revealed in the following verse.

1Co 2:14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

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21 hours ago, Behold said:

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No,...... the way you are explaining it tries to promote the false idea that some are saved and some are lost, and there is no choice or free will involved.

And thats not true and its  not possible.

See, here is the issue with predestination theology as you are trying to present it.

You have not realized 2 things.....One...is that because God knows something will happen, does not mean He caused it to happen., as the foreknowledge of God allows Him to be able to know without having to be the cause.

Second.....If predestination were true, then God would be unfair, cold hearted, and wrong.... and the reason is.......If, the way you unfortunately present the gospel were true (and its not).....that "some are born to heaven and some are born to hell", then this means that God is causing people to burn, and not giving some of them a choice to be saved.....And that means God is removing free will.........So, all of that does not happen, will not happen, and has never happened.

Instead......God offers heaven and eternal life to every living human being who was or will be born.......Jesus died for the "sin of the world" and not just for the "chosen elect"....... 

Just remember that even tho God, in His foreknowledge KNOWS everything....this DOES NOT MEAN that He causes everything.....It only means that because God is God, He knows everything.

Knowing is not causing.........Knowing is Knowing. = Foreknowledge.

If you are saved, then He knew you would be, but He didnt choose your free will for you, ............But He did know you would choose Christ and become born again, long before you were found wearing your earth suit.

Fallen man will according to his nature freely choose what he will wear or eat etc.. but since he is born a hater of God and is dead in sins he will NOT choose the things of God, as revealed in the following verse.

1Co 2:14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

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