Hungary Builds a Wall. Illegal immigration down by 97%

[Guest shiloh357]

Hungary has slashed illegal immigration by over 99 per cent after rolling out a series of powerful border fences in response to the European migrant crisis, possibly providing a lesson as to the potential impact of constructing President Trump’s much-discussed southern wall in the U.S.

Speaking on the second anniversary of the government’s move to seal Hungary’s border with Serbia — which is also an external border for the European Union — Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s Chief Security Advisor György Bakondi announced that the fences have caused illegal immigration to collapse from 391,000 in 2015, to 18,236 in 2016, to just 1,184 in 2017.

“The system of technical barriers is the key to the success of border security, and without it, it would be impossible to stop the mass arrival of immigrants”, the security chief explained.

 

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/09/16/hungary-builds-a-wall-cuts-illegal-immigration-by-over-99-per-cent/

[Running Gator]

4 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Hungary has slashed illegal immigration by over 99 per cent after rolling out a series of powerful border fences in response to the European migrant crisis, possibly providing a lesson as to the potential impact of constructing President Trump’s much-discussed southern wall in the U.S.

Speaking on the second anniversary of the government’s move to seal Hungary’s border with Serbia — which is also an external border for the European Union — Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s Chief Security Advisor György Bakondi announced that the fences have caused illegal immigration to collapse from 391,000 in 2015, to 18,236 in 2016, to just 1,184 in 2017.

“The system of technical barriers is the key to the success of border security, and without it, it would be impossible to stop the mass arrival of immigrants”, the security chief explained.

 

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/09/16/hungary-builds-a-wall-cuts-illegal-immigration-by-over-99-per-cent/

First off, it is a fence not a wall, so this is fake news already.  Secondly, this fence is only 85 miles long.  

 

[walla299]

Yes indeed. A wall worked in Israel too as I recall. 

There's a message there.

 

[Guest shiloh357]

20 hours ago, Running Gator said:

First off, it is a fence not a wall, so this is fake news already.  Secondly, this fence is only 85 miles long.  

 

Everyone calls Israel's fence, "a wall" even though only about 3% of it is actually a wall.  

And what you call it isn't really material to the point. Calling it a fence or a wall doesn't make it fake news.  The length doesn't matter either.   The fact is that Hungary recognizes a need for a wall of some kind to protect their border.   It just makes sense.  Hungary has more commonsense than America and the whole of Europe put together.

Hungary doesn't want those Muslim knuckle draggers in their country and neither do Americans with any commonsense, at all.   The Dems only care about them to the extent that they will vote as Democrats after the Dems destroy our Constitution and make it so all non-citizens can vote.

[Running Gator]

2 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Everyone calls Israel's fence, "a wall" even though only about 3% of it is actually a wall.  And what you call it isn't really material to the point...

Our president did not call for a fence to be built during the campaign, but a big, beautiful wall. 

In fact to Trump it matters if what you call it...perhaps you remember this little tweet from him..

Jeb Bush just talked about my border proposal to build a "fence." It's not a fence, Jeb, it's a WALL, and there's a BIG difference!

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 The length doesn't matter either.

Length does matter actually.  It has been stated on this forum many times that what works on a small scale does not always work on a large scale.  So, an 86 mile fence is a very different thing than a 2000 mile long wall that is taller than the tallest ladder. 

[Running Gator]

6 minutes ago, Cletus said:

do you support illegal immigration?   Because whether a fence or a wall is moot.  the point is 97%  

97%.  I bet them Hungarians don't care one way or the other if its a fence or a wall.  what they have to be glad about is 97%.  thats ninety seven percent.

that gives me hope. 

 

I do not support illegal immigration.  

I support a common sense approach that does not include wasting 20 or more billion dollars plus billions more on upkeep. 

[Running Gator]

43 minutes ago, Cletus said:

And what would your common sense approach be?

Between Germany and Italy we have approximately 47,000 troops as well as another 9000 in Afghanistan. 

My common sense approach would be to bring home half of the troops from Germany and Italy and all of the troops from Afghanistan and station them along the southern border of the US.  We already have multiple bases in border states they could be transitioned to.  

 That gives us roughly 28,000 troops to guard 1900 miles.  It saves money wasted on a wall and it saves the extra cost of having troops stationed overseas.

On top of that we make a real, workable guest worker program so those coming across to pick our produce and fix our roofs can do so easily and officially.  That leaves only the people that want to do us harm and the drug lords left trying to get over the border, then you let the military do what it is supposed to do, defend this country, not other countries. 

[Guest shiloh357]

On 9/18/2017 at 6:20 AM, Running Gator said:

Our president did not call for a fence to be built during the campaign, but a big, beautiful wall.

Whatever...

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It has been stated on this forum many times that what works on a small scale does not always work on a large scale.

More accurately, what was said is that socialized medicine won't work on a population our size.  It works in Sweden and other countries where their population is about the size of or small than that of  the state of Florida.  

[ayin jade]

And the countries with socialized medicine not only have long lines and scanty service, they also refuse to pay for medical care for anyone who isnt a citizen. The us will be forced, via lawsuits (because such has already happened), to pay for medical care for legal and illegal residents/visitors etc.

[Running Gator]

12 minutes ago, Sojourner414 said:

Okay...28000 troops for 1900 miles... that breaks down to about roughly 14 soldiers for every mile. Keep in mind now that all 14 cannot be out there at the same time, as you need to do shifts so they can eat, sleep, bathe and whatnot. So, three 8-hour shifts means you have about four soldiers guarding a mile, or 1 soldier every quarter mile.

 

More than enough since not all 1900 miles have to be patrolled due to terrain issues.  

This also does not include the people already stationed in the border states who can also use border guarding as part of their training.   That is another 250,000 give or take.