Pelagianism

[Robert William]

4 minutes ago, LuftWaffle said:

I was stating your own back to you to highlight an inconsistency. Here it is again:

God decrees a sinful nature, which causes desires to sin, God is off the hook, because man desires the sin.
God decrees regeneration, which causes desire to repent, God gets the glory this time, in spite of man desiring the repentance.

See the problem?

And for the third time, who is responsible for us believing free will. Our own will which we ought not follow, or the sovereign decree of God?

 

OK, so you believe in Sovereign election. and NOT free will.

[Omegaman 3.0]

15 minutes ago, Robert William said:

If you are saying that regeneration precedes faith then I agree.

I (personally) did not say that, but that is also, what I hold! Without faith, we are not able to please God, and that faith, is the result of the new birth, it is the gift of God!

[LuftWaffle]

10 minutes ago, Robert William said:

OK, so you believe in Sovereign election. and NOT free will.

No, I'm am stating your own view back to you to highlight an inconsistency.

"God decrees a sinful nature, which causes desires to sin, God is off the hook, because man desires the sin.
God decrees regeneration, which causes desire to repent, God gets the glory this time, in spite of man desiring the repentance."

The above is what you believe, and the smiley face seems to show that you agree. Those are not my beliefs, because I've been denying compatibilism, which should be obvious. It's also obvious that you're playing games now.

My time is limited and you seem to not really be open to a reasonable discussion of own view to so after having 100% of my questions ignored, I'm moving on. I suppose the title of the thread should have clued me in that you're not very serious.

God bless

 

Edited September 19, 2017 by LuftWaffle

[Robert William]

11 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

I (personally) did not say that, but that is also, what I hold! Without faith, we are not able to please God, and that faith, is the result of the new birth, it is the gift of God!

Who gets that gift of faith and why?

[Guest shiloh357]

7 minutes ago, Robert William said:

Who gets that gift of faith and why?

Does God, in His sovereignty, dictate belief in free will?

[Robert William]

1 minute ago, shiloh357 said:

Does God, in His sovereignty, dictate belief in free will?

Who gets that gift of faith and why??

You can't answer because it will destroy your free will theory!

[Guest shiloh357]

5 minutes ago, Robert William said:

Who gets that gift of faith and why??

You can't answer because it will destroy your free will theory!

  I was not asked the question about faith, so I am not responding to that question.  

Your problem is that if God is sovereign and in control of everything, then God sovereignly dictates that some people believe in free will, which is inconsistent with His sovereignty.   You need to address that issue while you await the person whom you asked the question about faith.

[Robert William]

2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

  I was not asked the question about faith, so I am not responding to that question.  

Your problem is that if God is sovereign and in control of everything, then God sovereignly dictates that some people believe in free will, which is inconsistent with His sovereignty.   You need to address that issue while you await the person whom you asked the question about faith.

OK then, I'll ask.

Who gets that gift of faith and why??

[Guest shiloh357]

4 minutes ago, Robert William said:

OK then, I'll ask.

Who gets that gift of faith and why??

Anyone who says yes to Jesus, gets it.  Why?  Because He is the source of everything pertaining to eternal life, even the faith we need to believe.

Now, YOU address this: If God is sovereign and in control of everything, then God sovereignly dictates that some people believe in free will, which is inconsistent with His sovereignty.

[Robert William]

Just now, shiloh357 said:

Anyone who says yes to Jesus, gets it.  Why?  Because He is the source of everything pertaining to eternal life, even the faith we need to believe.

I hope you realize that is Pelagianism.