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56 minutes ago, Cletus said:

yes.

Romans 12:3   For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

God does not push Himself on anyone.  I say that and yet i was apprehended.  I didnt call out to Him.  I wanted no part of God.  Years back, in  county jail God came to me.  Questions began to pop in my mind like what good is my life doing... what good am i doing in others lives.  the answer was nothing, none, nothing, im not.  then i saw how dirty i really was.  i could barely breathe with this tremendous weight on me.  that is when i chose not to do certain things anymore, like victimize people.  it was then i felt the weight lift and inside i was glowing.  I could have chose to go the other way.  anyone can choose that at anytime.  even you.  but why would you once someone has tasted of His goodness.  the above scripture is not just "to the church" as many will claim.   it says every man. 

everyone gets a fair shot.  why?  Because God is a Just Judge.  if there was even one person who was not given the measure of faith unto salvation, on judgment day they would have excuse. 

What a grevious blasphemous misinterpretation of scripture, look at the beginning it's talking about the brethren, you should be terribly ashamed!.

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On 9/17/2017 at 10:13 PM, Robert William said:

If guys are going to embrace free will I will go somewhere else. :)

Pelagianism, the idea that no Christian commits sin, is utter nonsense. Christians do not WANT to sin but we are all going to make mistakes occasionally.

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On 9/17/2017 at 10:15 PM, Blueyedjewel said:

If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen? Can I get you some cheese to go with your whine?

I love cheese...and the real stuff too not that overprocessed crap. Change of subject I know...dont mind me. :rolleyes:

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10 hours ago, Sojourner414 said:

Yet you paint with too broad of a brush and claim that you are correct. You cannot legitimately claim all those who believe in free-will are "Pelagian".

Is it ok if I say all people born in the US are American, or is that also too broad a brush?

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10 minutes ago, Sojourner414 said:

No, that's not too broad of a brush. But you ended up jumping to a different "canvas" altogether.

Never mind, it went right over your head. :(

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On 9/18/2017 at 8:15 AM, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

I think of debate as an argument to prove a winner, not necessarily the truth.

Many revered men of God have debated. The ones who stand on the word of God are defending the faith. They love the truth and they debate to expose the error that goes against the truth.

It isnt about winning unless it is winning someone back onto the true path which is straight and narrow.

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On 9/18/2017 at 12:16 PM, Robert William said:

Calvinism and Arminianism are two main theological perspectives that deal with salvation. Calvinism is named after the teachings of the theologian John Calvin (1509-1564). Arminianism is named after the teachings of the theologian Jacobus Arminius (1559-1609). The Calvinist perspective has been summarized in TULIP:  Total depravity, Unconditional election, Limited atonement, Irresistible grace, Perseverance of the saints.  No corresponding acronym is widely used for the Arminian perspective.

Calvinism emphasizes the sovereignty of God and God's right to choose people for salvation (Acts 13:48; 2 Thessalonians 2:13). Arminians emphasize the ability and freedom of man to choose God (Joshua 24:15).

In Calvinism, God is the ultimate and deciding factor in the salvation of individuals. In Arminianism, man's response to God's grace is the deciding factor.

Calvinists affirm God's sovereignty over his creation (Rom. 9:22-23), sinful man's inability to freely choose God (1 Cor. 2:14), in God's electing and predestining people to salvation (2 Thess. 2:13) which is by God's choice not man's (John 1:13; Rom. 9:16), and that the saved are eternally secure because their salvation rests in Christ's work, not man's faithfulness (John 10:27-28). Arminians affirm the sovereignty of man's will and ability to choose God, that God's predestining of people is based on his foreseen knowledge of their choices, that Jesus died for all people who ever lived, and that is possible to lose one's salvation.

Calvinism and Arminianism comparison grid
  CALVINISM ARMINIANISM
Man Total depravity.  Man is completely touched/affected by sin in all that he is (in nature he is completely fallen) but is not as bad as he could be (in action, i.e., not all murder, etc.). Furthermore, this total depravity means that the unregenerate will not, of their own sinful free will, choose to receive Christ. Free Will.  Man is totally affected by sin in all that he is, but with the prompting of the Holy Spirit the unbeliever is capable of freely choosing God. 
Election Unconditional election.  God elects a person based upon nothing in that person because there is nothing in him that would make him worthy of being chosen; rather, God's election is based on what is in God. God chose us because he decided to bestow his love and grace upon us, not because we are worthy, in and of ourselves, of being saved. Conditional Election.  Election to salvation is conditioned upon God's foreseen faith in the person.
Atonement Limited atonement.  Christ bore the sin only of the elect, not everyone who ever lived.1  Universal Atonement.  Jesus bore the sin of all people, the elect and the non-elect.
Regeneration Irresistible grace.  The act of God making the person willing to receive him. It does not mean that a person cannot resist God's will.  It means that when God moves to save/regenerate a person, the sinner cannot successfully resist God's movement and he will be regenerated.  Resistible Grace.  The sinner can successfully resist the grace of God and not be regenerated when God convicts that person.
Security Perseverance of the saints.  We are so secure in Christ that we cannot fall away.  Falling From Grace.  It is possible to fall away from the faith and lose one's salvation.2

I find Scripture supporting unlimited atonement and resistible grace.  Also don't believe that God chose to send some to hell--I believe that is their choice by resisting God's grace.    So I am not a good Calvinist, nor am I a good Arminian.  

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2 minutes ago, Willa said:

I find Scripture supporting unlimited atonement and resistible grace.  Also don't believe that God chose to send some to hell--I believe that is their choice by resisting God's grace.    So I am not a good Calvinist, nor am I a good Arminian.  

Willa, you believe in unlimited Atonement, sorry but scripture does NOT teach universal salvation, it teaches that the majority of mankind will be thrown into the eternal lake of fire.

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God would have all men to repent and be saved. Some love darkness and will not. God wants them. But he will not force them.

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35 minutes ago, Blueyedjewel said:

Many revered men of God have debated. The ones who stand on the word of God are defending the faith. They love the truth and they debate to expose the error that goes against the truth.

It isnt about winning unless it is winning someone back onto the true path which is straight and narrow.

Christian Apologist the late Dave Hunt debated Calvinist Apologist Dr. James White regarding OSAS.  James White is generally believed to have won the debate.  What does that prove? 

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