missmuffet Posted September 19, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Amazing Horse said: I believe i found first mistake , he said 8:00 that Enoch was raptured , which is not , he was translated Hebrews 11:5 and not to heaven but to Abraham Bossom . In the OT Abraham Bosom and heaven were the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazing Horse Posted September 19, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 364 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 80 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/02/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, missmuffet said: In the OT Abraham Bosom and heaven were the same thing. No because Abraham could see rich man burning in front of him and talking (Luke 16:26) , if heaven was next to hell then heaven would be corrupted by sin which is impossible . Actually Abraham Bosom collapsed and hell become large as fullfilled prophecy ( Isaiah 5:14 )Â so that would mean that there is no heaven now . I believe that wall which they could not pass in hell collapsed causing veil to be torn in Temple when Christ died , fullfilling that prophecy also. If people went to heaven then there would be no point in First Fruits feast aswell and it would contradict with Christ going to hell under earth to preach to souls ( 1 Peter 3:18-19)Â if heaven was Abraham Bosom. Â John 3:13 also says that nobody before Jesus could go to heaven And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted September 19, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted September 19, 2017 36 minutes ago, Amazing Horse said: No because Abraham could see rich man burning in front of him and talking (Luke 16:26) , if heaven was next to hell then heaven would be corrupted by sin which is impossible . Actually Abraham Bosom collapsed and hell become large as fullfilled prophecy ( Isaiah 5:14 )Â so that would mean that there is no heaven now . I believe that wall which they could not pass in hell collapsed causing veil to be torn in Temple when Christ died , fullfilling that prophecy also. If people went to heaven then there would be no point in First Fruits feast aswell and it would contradict with Christ going to hell under earth to preach to souls ( 1 Peter 3:18-19)Â if heaven was Abraham Bosom. Â John 3:13 also says that nobody before Jesus could go to heaven And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. That is correct Horse but heaven and Abraham's bosom are the same place in the OT. Then when Jesus died on the cross He went to Abraham's bosom and took those people to heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazing Horse Posted September 19, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 364 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 80 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/02/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, missmuffet said: That is correct Horse but heaven and Abraham's bosom are the same place in the OT. Then when Jesus died on the cross He went to Abraham's bosom and took those people to heaven. If Abraham Bosom and heaven were the same places why would he need to take them out from there to put them back in the same place . Oh you mean that you can call Abraham Bosom a heaven , i don't think so , we know that God is in 3rd heaven , 2nd heaven are stars and 1st heaven is our sky so Abraam Bosom would be need number 0 which sounds bad . 2 Corinthians 12:2 - third heaven where God is . Jesus himself said to thief that he will be in paradise today with him, not heaven , because Christ rose on third day as firstfruit , thief could not go before him to heaven and be firstfruit . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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