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why they don't want free eternal life ?

Sometimes you can see some streamer giving away for example 5 gift cards on stream where thousands of people gather to maybe have chance to get one and most of them waste thier time and energy , why do they not want free eternal life from Jesus Christ , the most precious thing you can get and it's not limited everybody can have one  ?

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Because it really is not free. It requires faith to give up everything for Everything.

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Yep!

And; no one wants it. Salvation is spiritually discerned via the specific call of the Holy Spirit. Darkness of the natural man in this fallen creation does not see light, nor want any of it, for no one discerns what salvation is that is in the natural carnal state of this flesh. 

"As it is written:

“There is no one righteous, not even one;
     there is no one who understands;
    there is no one who seeks God.
 All have turned away,
    they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
    not even one.”
 “Their throats are open graves;
    their tongues practice deceit.”
“The poison of vipers is on their lips
     “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
     ruin and misery mark their ways
 and the way of peace they do not know.”

 
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..." the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God.  For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.  For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now.  And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.  For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees?  But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.

 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.  And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.  And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.  And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?  Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.  Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written,

“For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
    we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”

 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord."

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Eternal life is free.  Following Jesus costs you everything.    If being a Christian simply meant being a "convert"  most people would probably accept it.   But  it's the whole "deny yourself, take up your cross and follow me"  that throws most people off and causes them to reject the Gospel.

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22 hours ago, Amazing Horse said:

why they don't want free eternal life ?

Sometimes you can see some streamer giving away for example 5 gift cards on stream where thousands of people gather to maybe have chance to get one and most of them waste thier time and energy , why do they not want free eternal life from Jesus Christ , the most precious thing you can get and it's not limited everybody can have one  ?

I think it's human nature. Our nature leads us to believe if anything is free, it has little or no value. (Nothing of value is free, right?) Who would want that? But, if you have to work for it, to purchase it,  and continue all your life working to keep it, it must be very valuable.  (Right?......................;)

Mat 13:45,46  Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls,  Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

 

Mat 13:11  He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Mat 13:16  But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

2Pe 1:4  Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

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1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

Eternal life is free.  Following Jesus costs you everything.    If being a Christian simply meant being a "convert"  most people would probably accept it.   But  it's the whole "deny yourself, take up your cross and follow me"  that throws most people off and causes them to reject the Gospel.

If you want rewards yes .

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1 hour ago, Gary Lee said:

I think it's human nature. Our nature leads us to believe if anything is free, it has little or no value. (Nothing of value is free, right?) Who would want that? But, if you have to work for it, to purchase it,  and continue all your life working to keep it, it must be very valuable.  (Right?......................;)

Mat 13:45,46  Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls,  Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

 

Mat 13:11  He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Mat 13:16  But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

2Pe 1:4  Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

That Merchant who sold everything and bought pearl is Jesus Christ by the way , what's why Jews were upset because pearls are not kosher , byt that Jesus was saying that not only Jews but Gentiles also will inherit kingdom .

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27 minutes ago, Amazing Horse said:

That Merchant who sold everything and bought pearl is Jesus Christ by the way , what's why Jews were upset because pearls are not kosher , byt that Jesus was saying that not only Jews but Gentiles also will inherit kingdom .

Well horse, you have given me something to think about, and study. I always assumed the pearl was the Word, Jesus, salvation. I know this verse has been debated, but leaned toward my savior as worth a great price, worth giving up my life to seek. When I compare it to this verse  Mat_7:6  Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. I assumed that verse considers "Pearls" the gospel, (holy) the Word, Jesus, before those who would trample it underfoot, and not see the value. To defile the precious Word, Jesus. Will have to study on this. This is the reason I'm here, to learn.   To reason together. Thanks.

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23 hours ago, Amazing Horse said:

why they don't want free eternal life ?

Sometimes you can see some streamer giving away for example 5 gift cards on stream where thousands of people gather to maybe have chance to get one and most of them waste thier time and energy , why do they not want free eternal life from Jesus Christ , the most precious thing you can get and it's not limited everybody can have one  ?

Like those free offers on cable and tv, it is the just pay the extra shipping charges that get ya.

Salvation is not universal, but condemnation certainly is.

Jesus paid the price of sin, which is condemnation (death), for some not all.  All do not become saved, those that  are they were known to Him and predestined to be saved from before the beginning. Jesus  took death onto himself to pay the price of sin which is death, in order to redeem some out from universal condemnation (death). 

There is no  just take a "get out of jail free" card. Life is not a board game, not at all. No one is saved from the penaly of sin without paying homage to Jesus by bowing a knee to him as their personal Lord God and  savior.

No one hears the offer of salvation, for the natural fallen mind of a man cannot comprehend it, unless the Holy Spirit enables that hearing. It is unnatural for that which is corrupt to embrace that which is pure, in fact it cannot be done. God can neither embrace  corruption, nor can corruption be embraced by God. For within God there is no tolerance for imperfection.

 So all are condemned, except by the mercy and grace of God alone whom has reconciled the impossible. He has paid the price of sin for those He will save out from condemnation. And they are the ones given to Him by the Father, and are  those called specifically by the Holy Spirit becoming via the Spirit, enabled to hear,  comprehend, and heed  that saving grace which is Jesus upon the cross. All others are still condemned and will die in the flesh condemned to eternal death.

Salvation is not a free offer sitting on a counter at a storefront that one may enter at Anytime and partake of freely without condition. It is free in the sense that one cannot buy it with their own meritorious works, nor with their money, but it is not free nor is it universal. All will not accept Jesus as Lord God and savior, many will insist on making their own sacrifice and living as they wish, when they want, and as often as they desire. Jesus does not allow for that to be the case. Though the saved are indeed freed to bond-servnt status, salvation is not free.  Jesus is the stumbling block! The block over which  works and yes freewill falls headfirst to oblivion eternally separated from God and punished by God.

When the Holy Spirit makes a specific call to a person to repent, the person called had better hear and heed the Spirit. He had not best think, oh I can visit this counter anytime and pick up free salvation at my own timing and will. 

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