Heleadethme Posted September 21, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 15 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,371 Content Per Day: 1.36 Reputation: 3,267 Days Won: 5 Joined: 07/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2017 12 hours ago, Wayne222 said: Our Lord Jesus loves and died for everyone in this world. God is love. In 1 john it's says God is love. Can the love of God ordained some to be lost without a choice ? Does that make sense? The bible does not teach predestination for some to go to hell. It teaches that God wants all men to be saved. It teaches Christ died for all sinners. If God is love then why would he preordained some poor soul to the lake of fire. The good news is he does not .love would save someone from the lake of fire. God is love. He does not want anyone to perish but that all would receive eternal life through the son of God Christ Jesus. Praise God. As far as I understand it we are elect/predestinated according to God's foreknowledge of whether we would obey the gospel or not. Even where it says He has made some to be vessels of dishonour, and hardened their hearts, like Pharaoh, i believe is based on God's foreknowledge of these souls. 1Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravindran Posted September 21, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 496 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 398 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/18/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2017 12 hours ago, Wayne222 said: Our Lord Jesus loves and died for everyone in this world. God is love. In 1 john it's says God is love. Can the love of God ordained some to be lost without a choice ? Does that make sense? The bible does not teach predestination for some to go to hell. It teaches that God wants all men to be saved. It teaches Christ died for all sinners. If God is love then why would he preordained some poor soul to the lake of fire. The good news is he does not .love would save someone from the lake of fire. God is love. He does not want anyone to perish but that all would receive eternal life through the son of God Christ Jesus. Praise God. Bible does not say God forces anyone into hell. Everyone "chooses" hell by default. But God chooses to save few out. That is predestination. Instead of saying God is sending someone to hell, it is right to say that God chooses some to heaven while everyone chose to go to hell by default Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heleadethme Posted September 21, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 15 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,371 Content Per Day: 1.36 Reputation: 3,267 Days Won: 5 Joined: 07/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2017 12 hours ago, Yowm said: Even Calvin waffled on this one... 1 John 2:2 KJVS [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Is it possible that John was writing to Jews and saying Christ died for not only Israel but the world as well.....the gospel being available to both Jews and Gentiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted September 21, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 475 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,557 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,637 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 2 hours ago, ravindran said: Bible does not say God forces anyone into hell. Everyone "chooses" hell by default. But God chooses to save few out. That is predestination. Instead of saying God is sending someone to hell, it is right to say that God chooses some to heaven while everyone chose to go to hell by default That's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted September 21, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 475 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,557 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,637 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 Either God wants all to come to repentance or he does not. If he chose some to be saved and some not to be saved and it's up to him. Then clearly he does not want all to come to repentance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted September 21, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.34 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted September 21, 2017 33 minutes ago, Yowm said: Why not? As long as it is not said that He is a propitiation ONLY for the elect. Yowm. I think many get this predestined or pre determined messed up. THE THING that was pre determined BEFORE EVEN THE WORLD WAS. WAS THAT JESUS WOULD BE THE SAVOIR of that world. He Is the propitiation of our sins, But also the whole worlds. Yet this is what is so sad...........Massive numbers will still end up in the lake of fire . WHY. Yowm. What is the ONLY CONDMENATION that any person in the world will ever have. ITS not that they sinned alone. OR WE WOULD ALL BE DAMEND. NO. Think on it yowm. ITS because LIGHT has INDEED COME INTO THE WORLD but many reject HIS LIGHT , they love darknesss and even when unctioned to come THEY WONT . THEY DO IT TO THEMSELVES. or they fall away due to some lust , or persecution , THE ONLY CONEMDNATION was NOT that GOD DETERMINED MANY TO GO TO HELL . IT IS that HE SENT THE SON and MEN REJECT THE SON . THAT IS THE ONLY ONLY ONLY condemnation. I BET YOU FULLY AGREE . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted September 21, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2017 56 minutes ago, Yowm said: Again...The topic is not how we love Jesus but how much He loves us. It is interrelated. Or do you actually expect Jesus to love everyone unconditionally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted September 21, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Wayne222 said: Either God wants all to come to repentance or he does not. If he chose some to be saved and some not to be saved and it's up to him. Then clearly he does not want all to come to repentance. Luke 14:16-24 many be called, but few chosen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted September 21, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2017 24 minutes ago, Yowm said: There may be an interrelationship but it is still not the topic. God's love is not defined by our doing..but by His dying for our sins. How do you prove that God's love is not defined by our doing... but by His dying for our sins only? God's love is defined by His dying for our sins. And God's love is defined by our: Faith: John 3:18-21 & John 3:36 & John 8:24 Actions: Matthew 7: 16, 22-23 & 2 Cor.11: 15 Words: Matthew 12:37 All it is interrelated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heleadethme Posted September 21, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 15 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,371 Content Per Day: 1.36 Reputation: 3,267 Days Won: 5 Joined: 07/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2017 God's ways are not our ways.......His ways and His thoughts are higher than man's ways and man's thoughts. Love, to God is not man's idea of love, but His word is what teaches us what love is..........so it is for us to learn from the scriptures what love is, and change our wrong concept of love. Because it is crystal clear from scripture that not all will inherit eternal life.....so it looks like some here still need to change their ideas of what love is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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