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1 hour ago, Fidei Defensor said:

Echoimg St. Peter you are who says the same in 2 Peter Chapter 3, "a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years to the Lord." ??

Thank you. These are not my words of course. I am reading the Bible. The Bible is my refuge and consolation and I often repeat those things often without knowing the exact source. Thank you. I will remember now that it is 2 Peter Chapter 3.

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2 hours ago, vlad said:

Thank you. These are not my words of course. I am reading the Bible. The Bible is my refuge and consolation and I often repeat those things often without knowing the exact source. Thank you. I will remember now that it is 2 Peter Chapter 3.

You are most welcome. 

I have heard that in Russia only official churches (like the Eastern Orthodox Church) are permitted to share Gospel and any preaching of Gospel in public is prohibited, is that true or misinformation? 

 

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11 hours ago, vlad said:

I do not belong to the Russian establishment and I do not know the technicalities and specific facts, economic interests, secrets etc. of any countries. That is why I can present my analysis as an extraterrestrial alien, in principle.

Most countries in this world have troops near their borders. If they do not cross the border and if you want peace the best policy is not to touch those armies. A preventive strike is a war. The word 'preventive" in this sense is not a protection. Preventive strikes can easily lead to a major war. The source of war in this case is fear. Fear is a real danger. [Isaiah 41:10; Psalm 112:7,8; Psalm 32:7]. Fear causes overreaction. I understand the words "Fear not" literally as "do not fear" not as a blank cheque.

All the best. Vlad

Hi vlad,

Yes, so true, most nations have their armies, as that is the way of man. God`s word says they will all be judged. And you are right, for us as believers we are not part of the world system, but, in Christ.

Timely thoughts on `fear.` reminds me of what Jesus told the Jews -

`And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; men`s hearts failing them for fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken.` (Luke 21: 25 & 26)

And we really haven`t begun the tribulation yet!

regards, Marilyn.

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11 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Below is part of the article about the Balfour Declaration and Russia's hand in it all. Russian Jews (Israelis) were deeply involved. It is well worth reading to get an accurate historical perspective.

Chaim Weizmann and the Balfour Declaration

Weizmann, a Russian Zionist, settled in England in 1904 to pursue his career in chemistry.  In 1906 his employer introduced him to Lord Balfour, who was anxious to convince Weizmann that the Zionist movement should accept Uganda, rather than Palestine, as a national home. Instead, Weizmann began the process of convincing Balfour that Palestine ought to be the Jewish national home. The British Zionist movement began actively lobbying the British government in their cause, and during the early years of the war found a sympathetic advocate in Mark Sykes, who professed an interest to liberate the 'downtrodden people of the world' including the Armenians, Arabs and Jews. Weizmann also befriended CP Scott, editor of the Manchester Guardian and a sympathizer with the cause of Jewish restoration in Palestine. In 1914, Scott introduced him to Lloyd George, then Chancellor of the Exchequer and later Prime Minister during the war. Later, Scott was an active member of the British Palestine Committee in Manchester, which produced the magazine Palestine, and lobbied for the mandate and Jewish rights in Palestine.

[http://www.zionism-israel.com/Balfour_Declaration_1917.htm]

Hi Justin,

Thankyou for that interesting article. Mark Sykes was the British part of the Sykes - Picot Agreement. Picot was representing the French interest. This agreement in effect `drew a line in the sand` and carved up Syria for the French and Iraq for the British. This led to a lot of bad feelings with the Arabs who had been promised that they would rule those areas, because they helped the Allies in the war, WW1.

So much is explained when we know some history. Thanks again for your contribution.

regards, Marilyn.

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11 hours ago, vlad said:

The origin of the word RUSSIA.

In Russian it is ROSSIA, pronounced [rossiya]. The historical stem here is ROSS.

All the people have the same origin. As the tribes drifted apart they finally formed nationalities and nations. When the word ROSS was coined they spoke different dialects of Germanic and Slavonic on some territory including the territory of modern Russia. They had not drifted apart very much in their culture and dialects by that time and people could communicate without translators. There were no nationalities at that time. Sometimes historians depict that period under the title  "Vikings of the South". The word ROSS may be further traced back to ROTHMENN - the rowing people. 

Hi again vlad,

Thank you so much for looking into the meaning of the word `Ross,` or `Rosh.` That information is very interesting. Now did you know that Ezekiel the prophet talks about them?

`Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal,.....` (Ez. 38: 2)

Would you also mind investigating the Russian word `meer?` Does that mean `peace, the world?`

regards, Marilyn.

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9 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi vlad,

Yes, so true, most nations have their armies, as that is the way of man. God`s word says they will all be judged. And you are right, for us as believers we are not part of the world system, but, in Christ.

Timely thoughts on `fear.` reminds me of what Jesus told the Jews -

`And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; men`s hearts failing them for fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken.` (Luke 21: 25 & 26)

And we really haven`t begun the tribulation yet!

regards, Marilyn.

I am glad you brought this up. 

Here is a relevant post from my blog: 

"So often the words of Jesus get taken out of context, and entire doctrines form on this basis without cross referencing what Christ said to other instances of the same kind and even to Old Testament analogies He is making. One of the most prevalent, has been Jesus words, "Those who live by the Sword shall die by sword." Pacifists and antiwar folk have made this a battle cry and slogan for their peaceful causes, but what was Jesus really saying? Did he mean for us to put down arms and never fight injustice and evil? Are we to let Nazis and ISIS roam the earth destroying civilization? Motivated by the misunderstandings around this statement of Christ, I want to share what I believe Jesus was really alluding to. I believe that the Alpha and Omega's words are like onions, with layers that you peel with the help of the Holy Spirit. Some layers are larger and more obvious, others more microscopic, requiring the Messiah to teach us (Matthew 23:7-11). 

There is an incident in the time of David that we all know by heart from Sunday school, the Story of David and Goliath is one of great renown, even secular humanists enjoy the story. Let us take a look at that most famous of Old Testament chronicles, " Goliath walked out toward David with his shield bearer ahead of him, 42 sneering in contempt at this ruddy-faced boy. 43 “Am I a dog,” he roared at David, “that you come at me with a stick?” And he cursed David by the names of his gods.
44 “Come over here, and I’ll give your flesh to the birds and wild animals!” Goliath yelled. David replied to the Philistine, “You come to me with sword, spear, and javelin, but I come to you in the name of the Lord of Heaven’s Armies—the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied. 46 Today the Lord will conquer you, and I will kill you and cut off your head. And then I will give the dead bodies of your men to the birds and wild animals, and the whole world will know that there is a God in Israel!
47 And everyone assembled here will know that the Lord rescues his people, but not with sword and spear. This is the Lord’s battle, and he will give you to us!” (1 Samuel 17:41-47). Here David makes a declaration to the giant Goliath, that the LORD will deliver Israel and not with sword or spear. David then defeats the fiend, "48 As Goliath moved closer to attack, David quickly ran out to meet him.
49 Reaching into his shepherd’s bag and taking out a stone, he hurled it with his sling and hit the Philistine in the forehead. The stone sank in, and Goliath stumbled and fell face down on the ground.50 So David triumphed over the Philistine with only a sling and a stone, for he had no sword.
51 Then David ran over and pulled Goliath’s sword from its sheath. David used it to kill him and cut off his head." (1 Samuel 17:48-51). David destroys the Giant Goliath, an offspring of fallen angels and women (see Genesis 6:4-12) with stones, which in Old Testament represents the LORD, because Jesus is the Cornerstone (Matthew 21:42, Ephesians 2:19-22) and the Rock of Salvation (Matthew 7:24-27). David's victory becomes one that at first gives him renown, but then ridicule and even revenge from his former close friend King Saul who envious and jealous (are demonic James 3:15-18), spends the remainder of his years hunting David to kill him. The problem is David doesn't not keep His trust in LORD as he said to Goliath and was able to defeat the giant by power of LORD. There is another chronicle that few know, where David moves from Trusting LORD to defeat Goliath to trusting in Goliath's sword, "David went to the town of Nob to see Ahimelech the priest. Ahimelech trembled when he saw him. “Why are you alone?” he asked. “Why is no one with you?”

“The king has sent me on a private matter,” David said. “He told me not to tell anyone why I am here. I have told my men where to meet me later. Now, what is there to eat? Give me five loaves of bread or anything else you have.”
“We don’t have any regular bread,” the priest replied. “But there is the holy bread, which you can have if your young men have not slept with any women recently.”
“Don’t worry,” David replied. “I never allow my men to be with women when we are on a campaign. And since they stay clean even on ordinary trips, how much more on this one!”
Since there was no other food available, the priest gave him the holy bread—the Bread of the Presence that was placed before the Lord in the Tabernacle. It had just been replaced that day with fresh bread.
Now Doeg the Edomite, Saul’s chief herdsman, was there that day, having been detained before the Lord.
David asked Ahimelech, “Do you have a spear or sword? The king’s business was so urgent that I didn’t even have time to grab a weapon!”
“I only have the sword of Goliath the Philistine, whom you killed in the valley of Elah,” the priest replied. “It is wrapped in a cloth behind the ephod. Take that if you want it, for there is nothing else here.”
“There is nothing like it!” David replied. “Give it to me!”
10 So David escaped from Saul and went to King Achish of Gath. 11 But the officers of Achish were unhappy about his being there. “Isn’t this David, the king of the land?” they asked. “Isn’t he the one the people honor with dances, singing,

‘Saul has killed his thousands,
    and David his ten thousands’?”
12 David heard these comments and was very afraid of what King Achish of Gath might do to him. 13 So he pretended to be insane, scratching on doors and drooling down his beard.

14 Finally, King Achish said to his men, “Must you bring me a madman? 15 We already have enough of them around here! Why should I let someone like this be my guest?” (1 Samuel 21:1-14). Notice how it all changes, David trusts in Goliath's sword, and in process goes before King Ashish, a Philistine King for protection, trusting man (Jeremiah 17:5), a king of the very people Goliath was part of. So not only does David not only shift from trusting the LORD to trusting a sword, He trusts in sword of the enemy God defeated through the stones of David and trusts a king who was an ally of Goliath!

King David suffered because He had trusted God to defeat his foes, as in case when he destroyed Goliath (1 Samuel 17:32-50, Holy Bible), but then later David trusted in Goliath's Sword (1 Samuel 21:9) and it gave him grief and sorrow to trust in the sword because he lied to obtain it and his enemy was there to learn of David's plans (Doeg the Edomite). This is what I think Jesus meant, when He said, "those who live by sword will die by sword," (Matthew 26:52 Old Trans); I think our LORD was alluding to trusting in the sword as your deliverer and was echoing these words of David, "Lord rescues his people, but not with sword and spear," (1 Samuel 17:47). This especially becomes true in that Jesus who is God (Colossians 2:9, Titus 2:13) has come to resuce His people by dying on a cross for the salvation of Jews and Gentiles who believe in Him; the cross is not a sword. 
I do not think Jesus is talking about pacifism and anti-defense, because Jesus also said, "He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." (Luke 22:36). I think Jesus was saying trust in sword is living by the sword, just as David trusted Goliath's sword and not God. We are also told the same in Revelation, "Anyone who is destined for prison will be taken to prison. Anyone destined to die by the sword will die by the sword. This means that God's holy people must endure persecution patiently and remain faithful." (Revelation 13:10). 

A major reason that Jesus rebuked Peter about the sword is Peter was resisting Jesus' destiny to die for our sins, "From that time on Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and that He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life. 22Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. “Far be it from You, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to You! Jesus turned to Peter and said, "Get away from me, Satan! You are a dangerous trap to me. You are seeing things merely from a human point of view, not from God's," (Matthew 16:21-23), which coliminated in Peter actually using sword to stop Jesus' Path, " Then Simon Peter drew a sword and slashed off the right ear of Malchus, the high priest’s slave. 11 But Jesus said to Peter, “Put your sword back into its sheath. Shall I not drink from the cup of suffering the Father has given me?” (John 18:10-11). Again this harkens back to David's words, "the Lord rescues His people, not with sword and spear," (1 Samuel 17:27) but by His own blood and death on the cross and resurrection from dead! The Apostle Peter was resisting Jesus' Destiny as the Lamb of God, and like David was trusting in Goliath's sword, and notice that David when he trusted in the sword of the giant because fearful and acted made before King Asish. Trust the LORD equals peace, trust in the sword and ways of the world and there is fear. 
So why did Jesus ask His disciples to sell their cloaks and buy swords then? (Luke 22:26). The reasons are many, but here's the point, it is Jesus who is God and Man (Colossians 2:9, Titus 2:13, 1 John 4:1-3, John 1:1-18) is telling them to buy a sword. So if the LORD Jesus tells you to buy a weapon for protection it is fine, but even there you are trusting Jesus who is LORD (Romans 10:9). The problem is when you trust the actual weapon itself. This is tension in Scripture, keeping our eyes fixed on Jesus (Hebrews 12:2) and trusting Him, not the object He told us to use in a logical way. A similar example is that we can use money (Luke 16:9), but not love it and trust it (1 Timothy 6:10). You can use the sword, but trust the LORD. Amen." (Those Who Live By the Sword: What Jesus Meant, A Knight's Blog, September 24, 2017, 1:50am). 
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12 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said:

You are most welcome. 

I have heard that in Russia only official churches (like the Eastern Orthodox Church) are permitted to share Gospel and any preaching of Gospel in public is prohibited, is that true or misinformation? 

 

Thank you for the letter. I did not know much about it and now after your letter I begin to sort out the information. My boss (I have just retired) is a Catholic. There is a Catholic church in the city. I have just learned some information on the Internet . There are religious groups and religious organizations in Russia. Small religious groups do not have to be registered so far. If they have financial operations they are registered as legal persons and become organizations.  There are about 3500 registered organizations (churches etc.). Jehovah Witnesses were registered and now their registration is cancelled. What is public preaching? Is it preaching in the streets? As I understand it is not allowed to preach on the sidewalks and in the streets without a permission. They used to a decade ago. As I know from TV there appear lots of totalitarian sects which are focused on their members' money (all the money and real estate) and sex. They take legal actions against their leaders but new sects crop up. The most important thing (the Internet) is that a new law on religious groups and organizations is under way and this year the law will be in force. Jehovah witnesses used to talk to my very often in the streets. It was peaceful and we agreed to differ. There were also processions of Buddhists in the 90's in all the cities and towns. That is all I know so far.

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4 minutes ago, vlad said:

Thank you for the letter. I did not know much about it and now after your letter I begin to sort out the information. My boss (I have just retired) is a Catholic. There is a Catholic church in the city. I have just learned some information on the Internet . There are religious groups and religious organizations in Russia. Small religious groups do not have to be registered so far. If they have financial operations they are registered as legal persons and become organizations.  There are about 3500 registered organizations (churches etc.). Jehovah Witnesses were registered and now their registration is cancelled. What is public preaching? Is it preaching in the streets? As I understand it is not allowed to preach on the sidewalks and in the streets without a permission. They used to a decade ago. As I know from TV there appear lots of totalitarian sects which are focused on their members' money (all the money and real estate) and sex. They take legal actions against their leaders but new sects crop up. The most important thing (the Internet) is that a new law on religious groups and organizations is under way and this year the law will be in force. Jehovah witnesses used to talk to my very often in the streets. It was peaceful and we agreed to differ. There were also processions of Buddhists in the 90's in all the cities and towns. That is all I know so far.

That comfirms what I've heard. Is it difficult to get permission to presch the Gospel on sidewalks l, public squares, stores, and etc? 

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9 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi again vlad,

Thank you so much for looking into the meaning of the word `Ross,` or `Rosh.` That information is very interesting. Now did you know that Ezekiel the prophet talks about them?

`Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal,.....` (Ez. 38: 2)

Would you also mind investigating the Russian word `meer?` Does that mean `peace, the world?`

regards, Marilyn.

Thank you. I have not found any material evidence of Rosh being connected with Ross or Rus so far. I have only found what you already know: http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Rosh.html#.Wcdw_cig-M8

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10 minutes ago, Fidei Defensor said:

That comfirms what I've heard. Is it difficult to get permission to presch the Gospel on sidewalks l, public squares, stores, and etc? 

Yes. I think that covers all meetings and public gatherings. There is to be an application and a permission. I would suggest special places for meetings and gatherings in every city. Like Speakers Corner in Hyde  Park at least. It needs a Parliamentary decision.

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