Whyme Posted March 4, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,300 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 1,125 Days Won: 10 Joined: 02/16/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Fidei Defensor said: I didn’t say Jesus would have called people to become Miltes Christi (Soldiers of Christ) ready to wage war. I did say we need to take into context any anti-war attitudes in The New Testament, which I argue are not prevalent, are because the goal was a) to spread the gospel, and b) raising up arms would make Rome crush the early church. Rome can still crush the Church. But God doesn't allow it. Our weapons are not carnal Edited March 4, 2021 by Whyme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted March 5, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Whyme said: Rome can still crush the Church. But God doesn't allow it. Our weapons are not carnal Actually Rome did crush the church, people were fed to lions and used as torches. Nero even had Christian’s skinned alive and he wore their skin as clothes. In Cappadocia Christians hiding from persecution lived in caves with cielings only 1 meter (3 feet) high! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyme Posted March 5, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,300 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 1,125 Days Won: 10 Joined: 02/16/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted March 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said: raising up arms would make Rome crush the early church. 31 minutes ago, Fidei Defensor said: Actually Rome did crush the church ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted March 5, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 5, 2021 33 minutes ago, Whyme said: ok You quoted my words out of the paragraph they were in: 1 hour ago, Fidei Defensor said: Actually Rome did crush the church, people were fed to lions and used as torches. Nero even had Christian’s skinned alive and he wore their skin as clothes. In Cappadocia Christians hiding from persecution lived in caves with cielings only 1 meter (3 feet) high! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted March 5, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.58 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted March 5, 2021 21 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said: I didn’t say Jesus would have called people to become Miltes Christi (Soldiers of Christ) ready to wage war. I did say we need to take into context any anti-war attitudes in The New Testament, which I argue are not prevalent, are because the goal was a) to spread the gospel, and b) raising up arms would make Rome crush the early church. Also, the gospel in one hand and a flashing blade in the other, does not sit well... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted March 9, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 277 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,043 Content Per Day: 9.81 Reputation: 13,491 Days Won: 148 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Online Share Posted March 9, 2021 War is mentioned in the Bible in several different contexts which can easily be confused. The crusades are a much deeper study than I initially believed. There were many popes involved. Not all wars or "crusades" were fought for the same reasons. It would seem from my studies that more wars were fought for conquest by popes than for defense, although sometimes the opposition retaliated which might have looked like those poor RCC knights had to defend themselves all depending on the slant the history books give the events. When knights went out for conquest they were under no authority but the pope's.They need not ask permission from any king. This amounts to bandits claiming lands. This was often very lucrative for those involved. Not something commonly mentioned in many historical records. This was often a money game. No one cared about God or His ways. This was an OPPORTUNITY to pillage. I would want to re write the history books too if I were Catholic. It's all bad. Very bad. The religion was often forced on those who were plundered. Not to convert was to be a heritic and be condemned to death. No wonder the pagans hated the so called "Christians". Jesus would NEVER have taken this approach. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debrakay Posted March 16, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,249 Content Per Day: 1.97 Reputation: 3,104 Days Won: 20 Joined: 03/02/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted March 16, 2021 Great thread to read. My only thought is that mankind's lust for, greed, power, war, are all things that Jesus referred to when he said, "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted March 16, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,256 Content Per Day: 2.95 Reputation: 2,298 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 16, 2021 I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but the armies of the east reached the gates of Vienna before they were finally turned back. In a political sense, the wars of the crusades could be framed as a defense of much of Europe from the east. Dressing it up as a holy war, however... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyme Posted March 22, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,300 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 1,125 Days Won: 10 Joined: 02/16/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted March 22, 2021 fighting to liberate the Holy land was a carnal waste. Our city is in heaven not earth, so says scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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