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More than one rapture would mean 

1. The body of Christ would become disfigured if only some go up while others stay down. We are one body.

2. It turns the rapture into a works based event instead of Grace. What about my grandma who is a devout Christian and doesn't know when the rapture will be because she hasn't heard teachings on different theories? She just loves Jesus. She would have to stay behind and suffer? 

I believe if there is a pre trib rapture the only thing that makes sense and is consistent is we all go up as one body.

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Here is the time [Romans 11:25]

The timing of this "moment" is not given in any scripture

However, when all of the believing Gentiles of this age from the beginning of human creation have been made immortal, then the Lord will deal with Israel in the coming tribulation period

1/3 of Israel will turn to the Lord in the tribulation and 2/3 will perish in unbelief [Zechariah 13:8-9]

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4 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Here is the time [Romans 11:25]

The timing of this "moment" is not given in any scripture

However, when all of the believing Gentiles of this age from the beginning of human creation have been made immortal, then the Lord will deal with Israel in the coming tribulation period

1/3 of Israel will turn to the Lord in the tribulation and 2/3 will perish in unbelief [Zechariah 13:8-9]

Shabbat shalom, Daniel 11:36.

Actually, the time is better found in Matthew 23:37-39 which quotes both Daniel 9:27 and Psalm 118:26:

Matthew 23:37-39
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till (until) ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
KJV

Here, verse 38 is a reference to Daniel 9:27:

Daniel 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV

And, verse 39 is a quotation from Psalm 118:26:

Psalm 118:20-26
20 This gate of the LORD, into which the righteous shall enter.
21 I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation.
22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
23 This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.
25 Save now, I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.
26 Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.
KJV

And, the phrase, "Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD," comes from the Hebrew phrase, "Baruwkh haba' bshem YHWH," which means "Welcome, Comer in-[the]-name of-YHWH." In fact, the phrase, "Baruwkh haba'," in the plural ("Bruwkhiym haba'iym") is at the airports and seaports in Israel as welcome signs.

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So, when the Jews of Jerusalem can welcome the Messiah of YHWH back, then He'll return.

(Sorry if that's a blow to the ego of the average Gentile Christian, but that's the way it is.)

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"27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

 

It is the Lord who will confirm the covenant that He has with Israel [notice the semi-colon]

And it is the anti-christ that will cause the other things until that which is determined shall be poured out upon him

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On 9/29/2017 at 12:08 AM, bornagain2011 said:

More than one rapture would mean 

1. The body of Christ would become disfigured if only some go up while others stay down. We are one body.

The souls of the righteous dead are already 'up,' with the Lord. But they are still part of the same body of Christ as those of us still alive on earth. Likewise, those people on earth who are converted after the Rapture will be part of the body of Christ, which is a SPIRITUAL body, which is not bound by location either heavenly or earthly.

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Question: "Is the last trumpet of 1 Thessalonians 4 the same as the seventh trumpet of Revelation?"

Answer:
Those who hold to a midtribulation rapture teach that the seventh trumpet of Revelation 11:15 and the last trumpet of 1 Corinthians 15:52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16 are identical. Those who teach a pretribulation rapture identify them as separate events. What difference does it make, and how can we know the truth?

Why does it matter whether or not the trumpets are the same? God has given us His Word as the revelation of His plan of redemption, and that plan covers everything from creation to the new creation. Deuteronomy 29:29 says, “The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.” There are many things that God has chosen to reveal to us, and it is important for us to understand them so that we can obey Him. We don’t always understand why He does things, but we are called to trust Him for the parts we don’t understand and to study to understand the rest. As we look at the texts about these trumpets, it becomes clear that they are part of a chronology that God has given us of events in the last days. Whether or not we are still living when those events come to pass, they involve us, so we ought to know what God has revealed to us.

The book of Revelation has sometimes been viewed as a book of mystery, yet the title itself implies something brought out of hiding. More specifically, it is “the revelation of Jesus Christ . . . to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass” (Revelation 1:1). God wants us to know what is going to happen, so we can be prepared, and to help us in calling others to repentance. Beginning in chapter 6, we are given a chronological record of things that will happen in the last days. There is a series of seven seals, then a series of seven trumpets, then a series of seven bowls of wrath. We read in Revelation 11:15, “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, ‘The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.’” In the context, this seems to come around the middle of the tribulation period.

In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul is writing to believers concerning the transition from this life to eternal life. Our mortal bodies will be transformed into immortal, incorruptible bodies, prepared for the eternal kingdom of God. Verse 52 says, “In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” Paul addresses the same subject to the Thessalonians, and specifically connects it with the Second Coming of Christ. “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord” (1 Thessalonians 4:16–17).

There is no question that God has revealed these things to us and that He intends for us to be encouraged and instructed by them. The question is whether these trumpets are the same. If they are the same, then the rapture of the church happens in the middle of the tribulation period, and saints need to be prepared to endure those trials. If they are not the same, then we need to know when the last trump will sound, so that we can be prepared for it. In order to find out whether they are the same, we can compare the events they are associated with.

https://www.gotquestions.org/last-trumpet.html

 

 

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22 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Question: "Is the last trumpet of 1 Thessalonians 4 the same as the seventh trumpet of Revelation?"

Answered in my blog post, The Last Shofar: The Latter Horn of Redemption.

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1 minute ago, WilliamL said:

Answered in my blog post, The Last Shofar: The Latter Horn of Redemption.

But your answer may differ from another person's answer depending on their interpretation of Scripture.

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Be assured that the two trumps of the pre-tribuation rapture are different than the two 7 trumpet sets of Revelation's wrath and destruction are not related [1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Revelation 1:10]

Revelation 1:10 is the first trumpet and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 contains the second

 

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 what if there are three raptures?

A pre, a mid, and a post?

What if the love of G-d is so great only the most hard hearted will be lost?

We know from scripture there will be "saints of the tribulation".

blessings

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