convert or disciple?

[Reinitin]

3 minutes ago, Robert William said:

I do not say that TULIP is a road to salvation, I was born again in 1980 and was Pelagian and or Arminian for about 25 years, it had nothing to do with my salvation, my main purpose in this forum is to correct false doctrines which many have learned by ignorant Preachers.

oh i asked "granted grace by God for salvation. Now the mark of these elect is that they accept the 5 doctirnal points of tulip? ". So without acceptence of these 5 points you not a hopeful for election?

[Robert William]

1 minute ago, Reinitin said:

oh i asked "granted grace by God for salvation. Now the mark of these elect is that they accept the 5 doctirnal points of tulip? ". So without acceptence of these 5 points you not a hopeful for election?

The Predestined Elect were given to Jesus before the foundation of the earth, they were not chosen because of anything good or bad that they do in the future, in the eyes of God there is no such thing as a good person, it doesn't exist.

[OneLight]

3 hours ago, OneLight said:

4 hours ago, Robert William said:

If their sins are forgiven they don't need to accept, they already have eternal life in the Kingdom.:)

That is where I believe you get it all wrong.  I stated the following:

If you reread John 3:16-17, you will understand that salvation is for everyone, IF they accept it.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.  For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

There are conditions to salvation.

You are ignoring the fact that one must believe in Him and His salvation in order to have their sins forgiven.  Otherwise, they are still responsible for their own sins.  You see, God provided a way, an open door for people to walk through in order to be safe.  Because the door is there doesn't make anyone safe if they do not walk through it.

Did you give up replying?  Should I not wait for a response?

[Reinitin]

5 minutes ago, Robert William said:

The Predestined Elect were given to Jesus before the foundation of the earth, they were not chosen because of anything good or bad that they do in the future, in the eyes of God there is no such thing as a good person, it doesn't exist.

so why correct doctrin? it is a mute point and has nothing to do with salvation or sanctification or repentence, or faith? 

Edited September 29, 2017 by Reinitin

[Robert William]

1 minute ago, OneLight said:

Did you give up replying?  Should I not wait for a response?

You say Jesus Atoned and is the propitiation for all humans. OneLight, you can't possibly believe that Jesus did the following for all humans.

This means the turning away of wrath by an offering. It is similar to expiation, but expiation does not carry the nuances involving wrath. For the Christian, the propitiation was the shed blood of Jesus on the cross. It turned away the wrath of God so that He could pass "over the sins previously committed," (Rom. 3:25). It was the Father who sent the Son to be the propitiation (1 John 4:10) for all (1 John 2:2).

• "Propitiation properly signifies the removal of wrath by the offering of a gift," (The New Bible Dictionary).
• "Propitiation signifies the turning away of wrath by an offering," (Baker's Dictionary of Theology,  p. 424).
• The act of appeasing the wrath and conciliating the favor of an offended person, (dictionary.com). 
• "The act of appeasing the wrath," (Webster's dictionary, 1828). 

[Robert William]

4 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

so why correct doctrin? it is a mute point and has nothing to do with salvation or sanctification or repentence, or faith? 

2Ti 3:1  This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2Ti 3:8  Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
2Ti 3:9  But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
2Ti 3:10  But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
2Ti 3:11  Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
2Ti 3:12  Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
2Ti 3:13  But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
2Ti 3:14  But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2Ti 3:15  And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

[Reinitin]

6 minutes ago, Robert William said:

2Ti 3:1  This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2Ti 3:8  Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
2Ti 3:9  But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
2Ti 3:10  But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
2Ti 3:11  Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
2Ti 3:12  Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
2Ti 3:13  But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
2Ti 3:14  But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2Ti 3:15  And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Hmmm  so you can use all scripture for reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness, to give wisdom unto salvation but only as it pertains to 5 facts you have to accept first before you can gleen anything from all scripture?

[Robert William]

2 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

Hmmm  so you can use all scripture for reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness, to give wisdom unto salvation but only as it pertains to 5 facts you have to accept first before you can gleen anything from all scripture?

I have already answered.

I do not say that TULIP is a road to salvation, I was born again in 1980 and was Pelagian and or Arminian for about 25 years, it had nothing to do with my salvation, my main purpose in this forum is to correct false doctrines which many have learned by ignorant Preachers.

[Reinitin]

1 minute ago, Robert William said:

I have already answered.

I do not say that TULIP is a road to salvation, I was born again in 1980 and was Pelagian and or Arminian for about 25 years, it had nothing to do with my salvation, my main purpose in this forum is to correct false doctrines which many have learned by ignorant Preachers.

You mean you did what you were told to do for salvation but truth is you do not know if you are one of the elect?

[Robert William]

Just now, Reinitin said:

You mean you did what you were told to do for salvation but truth is you do not know if you are one of the elect?

Nobody can do anything for salvation, it's a free gift that is not deserved. Yes, I do know that I'm one of the predestined elect.