Was Satan's fall part of God's plan?

[ytLiJC]

16 hours ago, Adstar said:

No this is not a Christian belief.. Angels where always angels and human beings never become angels..   This teaching of yours is akin to reincarnation not Christianity

 

there is no reincarnation; there is an eternal circle of existence, positions of and events with the souls - reincarnation is a belief coming from the vedas, while the doctrine of eternal judgment(Hebrews 6:2) is the foundation in all biblical scriptures as the Lord says in Matthew 7:12 - the difference between the two consists in the fact that the doctrine of eternal judgment speaks of an eternal process that is both endless and cyclic like a constantly revolving wheel which rotates at a constant speed about its axis and makes full revolutions ad infinitum, and it is possible for a soul to be born and die only once within one single cycle of that eternal process, while the vedic doctrine speaks of many consecutive births, forms of existence and deaths accompanied by much more suffering for every soul within one enormous eternity - 8,000,000 animal and 400,000 human successive births, forms of existence and deaths proceeding in the evolutionary direction of that (vedic) circle and then again those 8,400,000 births, forms of existence and deaths but proceeding in the devolutionary direction of the same process called "samsara" - so according to those satanic scriptures every soul in the universe must and will necessarily/inevitably be born, exist and die zillions of times successively within one enormous eternity, while according to the biblical scriptures every soul may be born and die only once within one single eternity, albeit always in the same order/sequence through which each of them goes in the course of the circle of the eternity of eternities

Hebrews 9:24-28 (NASB) "Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.",

Ecclesiastes 9:2-3 (NASB) "It is the same for all. There is one fate for the righteous and for the wicked; for the good, for the clean and for the unclean; for the man who offers a sacrifice and for the one who does not sacrifice. As the good man is, so is the sinner; as the swearer is, so is the one who is afraid to swear. This is an evil in all that is done under the sun, that there is one fate for all men."

Blessings

Edited December 30, 2017 by ytLiJC

[Adstar]

4 minutes ago, ytLiJC said:

 

there is no reincarnation; there is an eternal circle of existence, positions of and events with the souls - reincarnation is a belief coming from the vedas, while the doctrine of eternal judgment(Hebrews 6:2) is the foundation in all biblical scriptures as the Lord says in Matthew 7:12 - the difference between the two consists in the fact that the doctrine of eternal judgment speaks of an eternal process that is both endless and cyclic like a constantly revolving wheel which rotates at a constant speed about its axis and makes full revolutions ad infinitum, and it is possible for a soul to be born and die only once within one single cycle of that eternal process, while the vedic doctrine speaks of many consecutive births, forms of existence and deaths accompanied by much more suffering for every soul within one enormous eternity - 8,000,000 animal and 400,000 human successive births, forms of existence and deaths proceeding in the evolutionary direction of that (vedic) circle and then again those 8,400,000 births, forms of existence and deaths but proceeding in the devolutionary direction of the same process called "samsara" - so according to those satanic scriptures every soul in the universe must and will necessarily/inevitably be born, exist and die zillions of times successively within one enormous eternity, while according to the biblical scriptures every soul may be born and die only once within one single eternity, albeit always in the same order/sequence through which each of them goes

Hebrews 9:24-28 (NASB) "Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.",

Ecclesiastes 9:2-3 (NASB) "It is the same for all. There is one fate for the righteous and for the wicked; for the good, for the clean and for the unclean; for the man who offers a sacrifice and for the one who does not sacrifice. As the good man is, so is the sinner; as the swearer is, so is the one who is afraid to swear. 3This is an evil in all that is done under the sun, that there is one fate for all men."

Blessings

There is no eternal cycles.. There is only one Eternity.. So again i stand against your teachings..  And i did not say your teachings where the same as reincarnation.. I said they where like reincarnation which they are.. 

[ytLiJC]

2 minutes ago, Adstar said:

There is no eternal cycles.. There is only one Eternity.. So again i stand against your teachings..  And i did not say your teachings where the same as reincarnation.. I said they where like reincarnation which they are.. 

 

reincarnation is possible within one eternity, while there can be no reincarnation within many eternities, albeit consecutive, because everything starts from the beginning when a next eternity begins, and Jesus, the Lord, also talks about age of many successive eternities:

Matthew 28:20 (NHEB) "look, I am with you every day, even to the end of the age.",

Revelation 1:18 (Aramaic Bible) "I am he who lived and died, and behold, I am alive to the eternity of eternities, amen, and I have the key of Death and of Sheol.",

Revelation 22:5 (Aramaic Bible) "And there shall be no night there and neither will they need lights, lamps, or the light of the Sun, because THE LORD JEHOVAH God gives them light, and he is their King for the eternity of eternities."

there are many other verses and passages in the Bible speaking of eternal circle of existence, positions of and events with the souls - the book Ecclesiastes is devoted entirely to the (doctrine of) eternal judgment - the most essential details about the eternal circle are presented/explained in it

Blessings

[ytLiJC]

14 hours ago, Sojourner414 said:

None of that supports reincarnation; you're bouncing around different verses taken out of context, and from two different translations at that.

 

as a general rule, the true God doesn't provide reincarnation for any soul - He thinks one life under the conditions of sin and death is enough

as for the above verses, the matter at hand in my previous posts was the fact that there is an eternity of eternities, IOW, eternal circle, and, as it is evident, what is said in those verses is a case in point

Blessings

[enoob57]

1 hour ago, ytLiJC said:

 

as a general rule, the true God doesn't provide reincarnation for any soul - He thinks one life under the conditions of sin and death is enough

as for the above verses, the matter at hand in my previous posts was the fact that there is an eternity of eternities, IOW, eternal circle, and, as it is evident, what is said in those verses is a case in point

Blessings

As a general rule we, As children of God, stay within the hermeneutic of Scripture "thus saith The Lord" all else is garbage.... I highly suggest you do the same!

[ytLiJC]

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

As a general rule we, As children of God, stay within the hermeneutic of Scripture "thus saith The Lord" all is garbage.... I highly suggest you do the same!

 

let's not forget that each of the Prophets/Saints who wrote the biblical scriptures was made competent by God when preaching His word or writing scripture - They were led by Him and almost had no other source besides Him - we can see there are few quotes from other prophets in some biblical books and the rest of the words in the Bible are new words - did Moses have scripture before he began to write it?!, but we know he was the one who wrote the pentateuch, and on the whole the biblical Prophets wrote scriptures rather than read them

Romans 1:17 (ISV) "in the gospel God's righteousness is being revealed from faith to faith, as it is written, "The righteous will live by faith."",

Romans 2:28-29 (NHEB) "he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not from men, but from God.",

2 Corinthians 3:1-6 (NHEB) "Are we beginning again to commend ourselves? We do not need, as do some, letters of commendation to you or from you, do we? You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; being revealed that you are a letter of Christ, served by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tablets of stone, but in tablets that are hearts of flesh. Such confidence we have through Christ toward God; not that we are sufficient of ourselves, to account anything as from ourselves; but our sufficiency is from God; who also made us sufficient as servants of a New Covenant; not of the letter, but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."

Blessings

[brakelite]

If you are suggesting that you have been made competent by God and thus a prophet....let me inform you that no "new"revelation EVER contradicts former revelations of truth. Mormonism, which seems to have shades of what you are suggesting.... believe that truth can change...that each new "prophet" or leader of the Mormon church can teach whatever he likes and it becomes truth...invalidating anything previous that has been put forth as "truth". Including scripture. At the risk of offending you...you are NOT a prophet ...what you are proposing contradicts scripture and is simply made up nonsense.

[enoob57]

7 hours ago, ytLiJC said:

 

let's not forget that each of the Prophets/Saints who wrote the biblical scriptures was made competent by God when preaching His word or writing scripture - They were led by Him and almost had no other source besides Him - we can see there are few quotes from other prophets in some biblical books and the rest of the words in the Bible are new words - did Moses have scripture before he began to write it?!, but we know he was the one who wrote the pentateuch, and on the whole the biblical Prophets wrote scriptures rather than read them

Romans 1:17 (ISV) "in the gospel God's righteousness is being revealed from faith to faith, as it is written, "The righteous will live by faith."",

Romans 2:28-29 (NHEB) "he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not from men, but from God.",

2 Corinthians 3:1-6 (NHEB) "Are we beginning again to commend ourselves? We do not need, as do some, letters of commendation to you or from you, do we? You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; being revealed that you are a letter of Christ, served by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tablets of stone, but in tablets that are hearts of flesh. Such confidence we have through Christ toward God; not that we are sufficient of ourselves, to account anything as from ourselves; but our sufficiency is from God; who also made us sufficient as servants of a New Covenant; not of the letter, but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."

Blessings

The Word of God leads us in the contextual sense and purpose it was first written ... the seal of the end of Revelation is the seal of The Written Word of God... thus God says

2 Timothy 3:15 (KJV)

[15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

I suggest again that you trust only in the written Scriptures to lead you to God Himself for it 'IS' His Word that forms the faith that is spoken of in Romans 1:17

Romans 10:17 (KJV)

[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Love, Steven

[enoob57]

Now as to the OP - the best way to answer is as God has revealed:
freedom in God 'IS' The Everlasting and the eternal state with God is the only purpose God has ever had with His creation... the fall of Lucifer was do to the exclusion of God in himself!

[Justin Adams]

..bunny wabbits cannot read the OP..